vista upgrade clean install =)

kier357 · 28-02-2007, 09:20

installed vista from my upgrade dvd as a clean install, and can confirm it works a treat

activation etc all worked flawlessly, and didnt even have to install drivers for my wireless card

took about 1 hour to complete the whole process, which includes installing vista twice and all my drivers, and everything seems to be working fine

**Big Adam** · 28-02-2007, 09:34

Installed Vista twice?

Assume first install was the "upgrade" from XP and then second was the "fresh"?

kier357 · 28-02-2007, 09:47

well i didn't have an OS on my hdd as its a new hdd, so i used a method i found through google..

basically you do a clean fresh install without entering your serial key, which installs a 30 day trial...

now you can run the vista install from within the trial and perform the upgrade, and once this is done you can activate and the rest of it

on the front of the box it evens says its an upgrade to vista from 2000, XP or even Vista

reaper · 28-02-2007, 12:24

I can also confirm this works, having done it myself. Actually mentioned this very loophole in another Vista thread a few weeks back.

It is admittedly a bit of a nuisance having to install Vista twice, but the saving of buying only the upgrade, rather than the full retail version, far outweighs this in my mind.

Please, don't let this start yet another debate of the merits of OEM over Retail!!

Euphoria · 28-02-2007, 12:25

A fresh install of Vista or are you installing XP or 2000 before upgrading?

Ryberg · 28-02-2007, 12:35

If I got it right, they installed Vista fresh, as a trial version and then installed Vista again as full.

reaper · 28-02-2007, 12:40

No need for XP or 2000.

Install Vista on your blank HDD, but when asked to put in your serial, just opt to do it later, and finish the first installation.

Once Vista is installed, start the 2nd installation from inside the Windows Environment. Opt for the advanced installation and choose where you want your installation, but this time put in your serial during the installation process.

Once the second installation is done, you can activate as usual. All the old files etc from the initial install are simply moved to a folder called windows.old and can be safely deleted.

A quick google will churn up numerous write ups on this.

neil.h · 28-02-2007, 12:57

So can I just confirm...The cheaper "upgrade" option is the OEM version not the retail?

Chenks · 28-02-2007, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil.h

So can I just confirm...The cheaper "upgrade" option is the OEM version not the retail?

depends what piece of hardware you need to buy to qualify for the OEM version.

reaper · 28-02-2007, 13:10

I just knew this was going to turn into an OEM v's Retail debate again.

Ultimately the "cheaper" option has to depend on whether or not the OEM version is strictly tied to a single machine, and is therefore not transferable in the future. The arguement on this could go on forever.

I didn't want to risk this, which is why I opted for a Retail version which I know I can safely move to a new machine if I so desire. Plus it obviously doesn't require the purchase of hardware that you may not actually really need.

kier357 · 28-02-2007, 14:19

i also opted for the full retail upgrade

got it at a bargain price of £83 incl shipping

it's not the academic liscense either!

neil.h · 28-02-2007, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chenks

depends what piece of hardware you need to buy to qualify for the OEM version.

Hardware

Why do you need to buy Hardware just to use OEM? also What are the reinstall policies?

Chenks · 28-02-2007, 15:10

OEM = original equipment manufacturer (some people have different terminology for it)

therefore to buy the OEM verison you should be building a PC, and thur purchasing the hardware at the same time as the software.

you can't (or shouldn't) be able to just go and buy the OEM version on it's own.

OEM version has NO re-install options.. ie it is tied to that PC. if the PC is scrapped, the license for the OS is scrapped with it. ie NOT TRANSFERRABLE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origina...t_manufacturer

Euphoria · 28-02-2007, 15:48

I'm not sure if they changed the OEM rules or something, but when I got my OEM copy of Home Premium. All they said the difference is between the two (Retail and OEM) is you don't get the 1 year Microsoft support with the OEM version... What a shame! I was never told to purchase any hardware though.

Chenks · 28-02-2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I'm not sure if they changed the OEM rules or something, but when I got my OEM copy of Home Premium. All they said the difference is between the two (Retail and OEM) is you don't get the 1 year Microsoft support with the OEM version... What a shame! I was never told to purchase any hardware though.

as stated in the Kustom shop

Quote:

*OEM Edition must be purchased with a component*

28-02-2007, 09:20	#1
kier357 www.kierc.co.uk Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 467	vista upgrade clean install =) installed vista from my upgrade dvd as a clean install, and can confirm it works a treat activation etc all worked flawlessly, and didnt even have to install drivers for my wireless card took about 1 hour to complete the whole process, which includes installing vista twice and all my drivers, and everything seems to be working fine __________________ MacBook Pro 2.2GHz SR 15.4", 120Gb, 2Gb, Snow Leopard, Win XP Pro ( only for Team Fortress 2 )

28-02-2007, 09:34	#2
Big Adam Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Peterborough Posts: 6,388	Installed Vista twice? Assume first install was the "upgrade" from XP and then second was the "fresh"? __________________ "I let my mind wander and it didn't come back" Sic hoc adfixum in obice legere potes, et liberaliter educatus et nimis propinquus ades ...and I love Forthy

28-02-2007, 09:47	#3
kier357 www.kierc.co.uk Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 467	well i didn't have an OS on my hdd as its a new hdd, so i used a method i found through google.. basically you do a clean fresh install without entering your serial key, which installs a 30 day trial... now you can run the vista install from within the trial and perform the upgrade, and once this is done you can activate and the rest of it on the front of the box it evens says its an upgrade to vista from 2000, XP or even Vista __________________ MacBook Pro 2.2GHz SR 15.4", 120Gb, 2Gb, Snow Leopard, Win XP Pro ( only for Team Fortress 2 )

28-02-2007, 12:24	#4
reaper .....of the grim variety! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Far Side! Posts: 393	I can also confirm this works, having done it myself. Actually mentioned this very loophole in another Vista thread a few weeks back. It is admittedly a bit of a nuisance having to install Vista twice, but the saving of buying only the upgrade, rather than the full retail version, far outweighs this in my mind. Please, don't let this start yet another debate of the merits of OEM over Retail!! __________________ You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper!

28-02-2007, 12:25	#5
Euphoria The music dude! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge Posts: 6,659	A fresh install of Vista or are you installing XP or 2000 before upgrading? __________________ Desktop: Apple Mac Pro (Quad) Laptop: Apple MacBook (Black) ...and I love Forthy

28-02-2007, 12:35	#6
Ryberg Kustomer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 61	If I got it right, they installed Vista fresh, as a trial version and then installed Vista again as full. __________________

28-02-2007, 12:40	#7
reaper .....of the grim variety! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Far Side! Posts: 393	No need for XP or 2000. Install Vista on your blank HDD, but when asked to put in your serial, just opt to do it later, and finish the first installation. Once Vista is installed, start the 2nd installation from inside the Windows Environment. Opt for the advanced installation and choose where you want your installation, but this time put in your serial during the installation process. Once the second installation is done, you can activate as usual. All the old files etc from the initial install are simply moved to a folder called windows.old and can be safely deleted. A quick google will churn up numerous write ups on this. __________________ You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper! Last edited by reaper; 28-02-2007 at 12:42.

28-02-2007, 12:57	#8
neil.h Registered Trader Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth Posts: 2,257	So can I just confirm...The cheaper "upgrade" option is the OEM version not the retail?

28-02-2007, 13:10	#10
reaper .....of the grim variety! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Far Side! Posts: 393	I just knew this was going to turn into an OEM v's Retail debate again. Ultimately the "cheaper" option has to depend on whether or not the OEM version is strictly tied to a single machine, and is therefore not transferable in the future. The arguement on this could go on forever. I didn't want to risk this, which is why I opted for a Retail version which I know I can safely move to a new machine if I so desire. Plus it obviously doesn't require the purchase of hardware that you may not actually really need. __________________ You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper!

28-02-2007, 14:19	#11
kier357 www.kierc.co.uk Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 467	i also opted for the full retail upgrade got it at a bargain price of £83 incl shipping it's not the academic liscense either! __________________ MacBook Pro 2.2GHz SR 15.4", 120Gb, 2Gb, Snow Leopard, Win XP Pro ( only for Team Fortress 2 )

28-02-2007, 15:10	#13
Chenks Registered Trader Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Irvine, Ayrshire Posts: 3,593	OEM = original equipment manufacturer (some people have different terminology for it) therefore to buy the OEM verison you should be building a PC, and thur purchasing the hardware at the same time as the software. you can't (or shouldn't) be able to just go and buy the OEM version on it's own. OEM version has NO re-install options.. ie it is tied to that PC. if the PC is scrapped, the license for the OS is scrapped with it. ie NOT TRANSFERRABLE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origina...t_manufacturer Last edited by Chenks; 28-02-2007 at 15:13.

28-02-2007, 15:48	#14
Euphoria The music dude! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge Posts: 6,659	I'm not sure if they changed the OEM rules or something, but when I got my OEM copy of Home Premium. All they said the difference is between the two (Retail and OEM) is you don't get the 1 year Microsoft support with the OEM version... What a shame! I was never told to purchase any hardware though. __________________ Desktop: Apple Mac Pro (Quad) Laptop: Apple MacBook (Black) ...and I love Forthy

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