Immigrants

[shifty.ricky]

To take the focus of us students i have started this thread.

Do you ever get the feeling that you have just pulled the pin from a hand grenade?

Please dont say anything offensive......I wouldnt (and if sharky tells you diffrent he is lying).

[The Pimp]

I will be keeping an eye on this one as it is a very touchy feely issue, that can easily be taken out of context.

Keep it correct and I shall leave it open, step out of line & I shall close & move it immediatly, and then ask the Admins to put a ban on the people concerned.

No more warnings. one strike on this one.

[ling_thing]

ive got opinions on this matter

but i'm trying to decide whether or not to view them here

let me see what else gets said first

[Dead_One]

i feel that when someone enters the country as an immigrant, unless they have a job and housing sorted out, they should be sent to the bare minimum accom. that is livable, and fed with the minimum food nessc.
and they should stay there until it is proved that they are a genuine immigrant.
if they are claiming persicution in their home country they will be glad of a safe place to live
if they are trying it on they will get no where
if it cannot be proved in a reasonable time they should be sent back either to their home country, if known, or the country they were last in b4 here.

Is the same policy a lot of countries have.
if they attempt to get round this, then they are banned, for life, no questions.

that way maybe they will stop thinking of britain as the easy touch it is, and the money wasted on them can be spent of british peoples needs.

[The Pimp]

Spot on precisely DeadOne

[Kynoch]

Immigrants is a wide class, not just assylum seekers, ppl come from countries all over the world to live and work in the UK, not everyone is just trying to get into this country for free housing etc.

I know a couple of people that used to live in canada, also a couple from the USA, they came over here because of Jobs or education, not because they were fleeing persecution, so IMO the term Immigrants shouldnt straight away make ppl think of assylum seekers or illidal immigrants, because it covers a much larger range then that.

[Da_Rebel]

I agree with Dead_One

I think it is quite strange that they give asylum seekers as much as they do, when there are so many homeless ppl in the country already who need help.

I'm not saying we shouldn't let them in, just that charity begins at home.

[Forthy]

Just one thing to say, which is the same thing I say about state sponsored heroin detox and other such issues. Why is it my problem? Look after your own first, then give charity on merit. Sort out our homeless and jobless. Sort out our ever growing crime and drugs problems. Then worry about everyone else.

2p spent.

[Meddler]

I agree with Dead_One....and charity should begin at home....so many people here need help too.

[playbhoy]

i say until they are proved genuine asylum seekers then the gov should feed them safeway savers beans on toast every mealtime. some of them come here for a holiday while our own people beg on the streets. hmmm somethings not right methinks.

[MisterX]

Personally I think theres far too many needy British people in this country that require the very same things Immigrants need and the people who are born here should be put first.

I'd have automatic machine gun posts fitted on the gates of the channel tunnel to put them off trying to get into the country and if any of the supposed immigrants did manage to get into the country i`d have daily flights paid for by the government to fly them back to where they came from. Pushing them out the back with parachutes attatched if need be.

I also wonder how many thousands of "immigrants" living in the comfort of our social security system are actually terrorists too?

[PJ Matthews]

Immigrants. Our ancestors were once immigrants to this great nation. Not one of you can claim to being a true Englishman as the last true englishman died many years ago. Same with the Welsh and Scottish, the true Welsh and Scotts were pretty much wiped out DNA wise over the centuries.

There are those who do not have the fortune to be born into a country such as ours and must live in poverty, even on our doorsteps in the former soviet union states (wait for massive influxes when they become EU member states and this able to travel freely). They simply want a better life. We are not a country that is full in any sense of the word. 92% of this country remains un built upon, we have huge holes in our NHS, teaching and many other fields and we have no choice but to turn outside of this country for help to avoid a total collapse further down the line.

I have no troubles with some of the immigrants living here. If they were to remain they must adopt our language and our social structor, not like in some areas forming their own communities of ex Asians, africans or whatever - this segregation doesn't help matters at all. I wish there was someone way to identify these extremeists who choose to live here and fight the British people and hate them (evident all too recently). They must have something to offer society, we don't need thousands more 'spongers'.

Some people say that the British man will disapear in favour of this foreign muck but in turth the British Man disapeared alot time ago, it is the case with much of the western world. We were all migrants somewhere along the line.

The EUs biggest problem is not immigrants coming in, we can handle them and process them with no problem. Its the EU states that pass them all onto the UK and Germany that cause the problem as both countries are seen as soft touches. Some sort of central distribution centre for immigrants should be created to access the immigrants and pass them on equally to each member state.

My 2p

[PJ Matthews]

To add to this, how many of you are racist without realising it? What seperates most of them - the colour of their skin? Do you feel the same towards white immigrants from former soviet states? Everyone needs to ask themselves this question.

Most of us have probably felt like this at some time - I did once but changed my mind. Its probably some natural human instinct to identify those different from us.

My 3p :)

[MisterX]

I very nearly mentioned racism in my post Mr Matthews. I didn't though because I know where it would get me.

I think what British Society now labels a racist is very different to what alot of people think is one.

If someone comes out with a comment like "I think all immigrants should be sent home once they are refused asylum because its down to their own government in the country they came from to look after them" they are branded a racist.

I don't consider myself a racist in my comments because I`m not but alot of people would, the media would brand me a BNP member most probably.

I just find it amazing how we are all expected to accept these people into "OUR" country, isn't their own country responsible for them? No it isn't.

I'm sorry but if it was the other way around I don't think their countries would be as willing to entertain thousands of British people everyweek.

Charity begins at home in my book. Why does some persecuted individual and his family who come from a war torn country o(or anywhere else) deserve the right to "squat" in the country where I was born, When there is people crying out for council houses in the UK, People who were born here who have to live on the streets.

[Pigboy]

Ive lived in my city for all my life, ive always been in work.

In between jobs i havent signed on for the moral point of it. Ive been on the council list for a flat/house for 7 years now its not affordable for me to move out at the moment with the rise of house prices and rent isnt cheap unless you get council.

This bothers me when i hear how immigrants in my city our being put up in 5* hotels, there getting given purpose built new and fully furnished new flats, goverment grants, dole money, phone cards and some of them even bought cars recently with there hard earned free money.

The main thing that bothers me though is the fact that the council closed down 2 local nursing homes where they were paying £28 per day per elderly person.

Then two weeks later they reopen them as immigrant housing paying £68 a head?????

None of the above is morally right, Mr Blair and the labour goverment needs to learn how to treat there own including many men and women that fought for our country during the war.

If these people didnt fight for our freedon all those years ago half of the goverment may not have been born. So who gives them the right to carry on in such a dispicable manner.

Im not racist in anyway.

I just have strong views on the way our country is being run

:(

[Forthy]

Originally posted by Pigboy
None of the above is morally right, Mr Blair and the labour goverment needs to learn how to treat there own including many men and women that fought for our country during the war.


...and those of us who vote for them to represent us :(

[Alan]

In a sort of comment on some of the posts, for many people, fear of the unknown, i.e. fear of strangers, is one of the foundations for what is loosely termed racism. Fear of strangers is not literally fear of someone you haven't met but fear of people who are "different" from us.

Skin colour is only one of the "markers" for difference. If the stranger is overtly "different", people may be uncomfortable because they can't forecast how they will behave "because they're not like me" Other markers include unfamiliar language, dress style and behaviour.

We are comfortable when we think we know the type of people we confront. An old example always stays with me. I was in a lift in a college and there were two guys talking to each other behind me. I hadn't seen them. Broad Glasgow accents, talking about discos, who was pulling who, etc. etc.

As I left the lift I turned around and the two guys were very clearly of Asian origin. But to me, they were Glaswegians, shared accents, shared outlook on life (when it came to entertainment and the gentle sex!) meant that no way would a simple difference of skin shade make them strangers.

So, to answer one comment, a lot of the "white" immigrants speak very strange languages, have very different customs, and look very shady.

I can readily believe that some would fear these strangers! Indeed, I don't think skin colour comes into the equation at all when it comes to those who are "irrational" opponents to immigration.

Hope this didn't ramble too much!

[MisterX]

I agree. Infact i'd go one step further....its nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or fear of strangers (xenophobia) its more to do with the fact there is already enough people born in this country who need a roof over their heads.

Take the lack of housing for teachers in London as a prime example.