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installed vista from my upgrade dvd as a clean install, and can confirm it works a treat :D
activation etc all worked flawlessly, and didnt even have to install drivers for my wireless card :cool:
took about 1 hour to complete the whole process, which includes installing vista twice and all my drivers, and everything seems to be working fine :)
Big Adam
28-02-2007, 09:34
Installed Vista twice?
Assume first install was the "upgrade" from XP and then second was the "fresh"?
well i didn't have an OS on my hdd as its a new hdd, so i used a method i found through google..
basically you do a clean fresh install without entering your serial key, which installs a 30 day trial...
now you can run the vista install from within the trial and perform the upgrade, and once this is done you can activate and the rest of it :cool:
on the front of the box it evens says its an upgrade to vista from 2000, XP or even Vista :D
I can also confirm this works, having done it myself. Actually mentioned this very loophole in another Vista thread a few weeks back.
It is admittedly a bit of a nuisance having to install Vista twice, but the saving of buying only the upgrade, rather than the full retail version, far outweighs this in my mind.
Please, don't let this start yet another debate of the merits of OEM over Retail!!
:rolleyes:
Euphoria
28-02-2007, 12:25
A fresh install of Vista or are you installing XP or 2000 before upgrading?
If I got it right, they installed Vista fresh, as a trial version and then installed Vista again as full.
No need for XP or 2000.
Install Vista on your blank HDD, but when asked to put in your serial, just opt to do it later, and finish the first installation.
Once Vista is installed, start the 2nd installation from inside the Windows Environment. Opt for the advanced installation and choose where you want your installation, but this time put in your serial during the installation process.
Once the second installation is done, you can activate as usual. All the old files etc from the initial install are simply moved to a folder called windows.old and can be safely deleted.
A quick google will churn up numerous write ups on this.
So can I just confirm...The cheaper "upgrade" option is the OEM version not the retail?
So can I just confirm...The cheaper "upgrade" option is the OEM version not the retail?
depends what piece of hardware you need to buy to qualify for the OEM version.
I just knew this was going to turn into an OEM v's Retail debate again. :)
Ultimately the "cheaper" option has to depend on whether or not the OEM version is strictly tied to a single machine, and is therefore not transferable in the future. The arguement on this could go on forever.
I didn't want to risk this, which is why I opted for a Retail version which I know I can safely move to a new machine if I so desire. Plus it obviously doesn't require the purchase of hardware that you may not actually really need.
i also opted for the full retail upgrade :)
got it at a bargain price of £83 incl shipping :D
it's not the academic liscense either!
depends what piece of hardware you need to buy to qualify for the OEM version.
Hardware :confused:
Why do you need to buy Hardware just to use OEM? also What are the reinstall policies?
OEM = original equipment manufacturer (some people have different terminology for it)
therefore to buy the OEM verison you should be building a PC, and thur purchasing the hardware at the same time as the software.
you can't (or shouldn't) be able to just go and buy the OEM version on it's own.
OEM version has NO re-install options.. ie it is tied to that PC. if the PC is scrapped, the license for the OS is scrapped with it. ie NOT TRANSFERRABLE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_equipment_manufacturer
Euphoria
28-02-2007, 15:48
I'm not sure if they changed the OEM rules or something, but when I got my OEM copy of Home Premium. All they said the difference is between the two (Retail and OEM) is you don't get the 1 year Microsoft support with the OEM version... What a shame! I was never told to purchase any hardware though.
I'm not sure if they changed the OEM rules or something, but when I got my OEM copy of Home Premium. All they said the difference is between the two (Retail and OEM) is you don't get the 1 year Microsoft support with the OEM version... What a shame! I was never told to purchase any hardware though.
as stated in the Kustom shop
*OEM Edition must be purchased with a component*
As an aside from the OEM vs Upgrade banter I have a question!
Do upgrade licences include the option to install either 32 or 64bit or are they purely 32bit OR 64bit without the option that a retail package includes?
i don't think you can get an OEM upgrade (correct me if i'm wrong).
the upgrade is only availabe on the retail package.
is that what you meant ?
or did you mean.. can you upgrade to 64bit vista from 32-bit XP using the retail upgrade ?
If you buy OEM, you get EITHER 32 or 64bit installs - not both.
If you buy the full retail package you get the 32bit install and can get the 64bit install from MS (for a nominal fee I believe).
Now if you buy the upgrade retail package do you get the 32bit install and can you also get the 64bit DVD as well?
As an additional q, since I am a student - does anybody know whether the Educational retail package is 32 or 64bit!
Cheers
Now if you buy the upgrade retail package do you get the 32bit install and can you also get the 64bit DVD as well?
you mean this
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_6632.html
Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit (with 64bit option) DVD Upgrade
i believe you get the 32-bit DVD.. and if you want the 64-bit, you need to send off for the media (as it's not included in the pack). you need cover postage costs i think.
Please note that the Home Premium upgrade license covers both 32 and 64 bit installations, however, only the 32bit disc is included in this package. Information on how to obtain the 64bit installation disc is provided in the box - at the time of writing, this costs £7.88 to obtain from Microsoft.
That's the ticket!
Anybody know about the Edu licence?
Vista can sod off then!!
Was gonna buy OEM as that seemed a bargain, but to not be able to reuse the key is a farce. The price of the retail is a ripoff imo. They wonder why so many people get it Illegally :rolleyes:
Vista can sod off then!!
Was gonna buy OEM as that seemed a bargain, but to not be able to reuse the key is a farce. The price of the retail is a ripoff imo. They wonder why so many people get it Illegally :rolleyes:
OEM has always been like that... it's not just a Vista thing.
thought with xp you just phoned them up?
for XP retail yes... the OEM still wasn't transferrable though. it's tied to the hardware it's installed on and isn't transferrable.
for example, if you bought a Dell PC that had XP pre-installed (that would be OEM). if you got rid of the Dell you couldn't transfer XP to another PC.
nicky munchkin
28-02-2007, 20:36
Weh? If you buy a oem XP you can install it over and over but on one machine? If you want to install it on another you must first remove it off the first. Thats what I thought anyways.
Microsoft have changed their rules a lot so no one can really be sure. For example you can actually buy a mouse as your component with OEM XP- you cant use XP with out one. You will have a hard time convincing Graeme of that one though :p
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
As an additional q, since I am a student - does anybody know whether the Educational retail package is 32 or 64bit!
Cheers
It is the Academic Upgrade version I have, and it came with only the 32-bit disc. Had to order the 64-bit disc from MS, and pay them £7.88 for the privilege. Robbing bandits!
:mad:
Weh? If you buy a oem XP you can install it over and over but on one machine? If you want to install it on another you must first remove it off the first. Thats what I thought anyways.
Microsoft have changed their rules a lot so no one can really be sure. For example you can actually buy a mouse as your component with OEM XP- you cant use XP with out one. You will have a hard time convincing Graeme of that one though :p
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
the link you provide contradicts what you said
In general, OEM software may not be transferred from one system to another system. However, the computer system can certainly be updated with new components without the requirement of a new software license. The only exception to this is the motherboard 1. If the motherboard is replaced 2, the computer system is deemed "new" and a new license would be required. Other PC components may be upgraded, including a hard drive. Though if the hard drive 3 is replaced/upgraded, the operating system must first be removed from the old hard drive. To restate: the operating system is "married" to the computer system on which it is originally installed.
Thanks Reaper - Just as I suspected - but at least we can get 32 AND 64bit for less than £60!
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