Announcement about SN41

[CyberDrac]

Check out the following link (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=33&threadid=22304).

This was posted by 'Odie'. Anyone who is familiar with the Viahardware/Sudhian forums will probably recognise the name.

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Tell me what you think =)

October will be the month of XPC (you'll see why soon), so I thought the revolution reference was appropriate.

[ 26 September 2002: Message edited by: CyberDrac ]

[Kynoch]

Bah need more details about it than the release date. :)

[CyberDrac]

Try this (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20020715_4238)

Built-in dual networking controllers, including a 3Com Ethernet MAC for simultaneous wide-area network (WAN) and local-area network (LAN) environments
Up to six high-speed USB 2.0 ports to connect the latest digital peripherals
Up to three Firewire (IEEE1394a) ports for connecting consumer electronics devices, including digital video cameras
Dolby® Digital 5.1 real-time-encoded surround sound with S/PDIF-out audio for home theater audio
Video Processing Engine for MPEG2 and DVD playback
TV-encoder and HDTV processor for optimal visual quality
Support for multiple displays, including flat panels, TVs and CRTs
Fastest integrated graphics performance based on NVIDIA’s GeForce™4 MX Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)

These are all features that the SN41 could have if it implemented ALL of the features of the nForce2 board.

[ 26 September 2002: Message edited by: CyberDrac ]

[PJ Matthews]

It will won't reach us properally until - November - Octobers me birthday - I HAVE AN EXCUSE - YIPPE!!!!!!!!!!!


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PEEEJ

[Kynoch]

Hmmmm, what is the estimated retail price for one of these when they are released, coz i dunno wether to get an SS51G or wait for this to be released. :confused:

[PJ Matthews]

Well if you don't mind the SS51 being intel, the SS51G is the better buy if you planning on adding a decent AGP card. The SS51 has dropped very nicely in price and it'll take some time for the SN41 to drop as well. The chipset does cost more, expect to see that effect price. Release price - £300 again I'd expect, and hope for.

[Kynoch]

I dont mind having an Intel system what so ever.
Would be better i would have thought- less space, less heat.

[danielctull]

Now I have a big decision, XBox or SN41 ?

Considering I haven't got a computer myself (using my dad's at the mo) I'm kinda heading towards getting a PC of my own...

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by danielctull:
<STRONG>Now I have a big decision, XBox or SN41 ?

Considering I haven't got a computer myself (using my dad's at the mo) I'm kinda heading towards getting a PC of my own...</STRONG> no competition Daniel... go fer a PC!! The only thing ye can do wi' the Xbox is play games. A PC can do that easily... and so much more besides :D

Granted... it'll work out costlier by the time ye've bought all the hardware ye need, but ye'd (eventually) regret not going this route in the first place ;)

[CyberDrac]

Shuttle SN41/nForce 2 Info - (Jasper Schneider)

The long awaited Shuttle SN41 Small Form Factor PC is looming for the masses. We first showed you this box, based on the nForce 2 chipset for AMD processors, in our QuakeCon 2002 coverage and have this PDF to show you with more details on the box including:

Integrated GeForce4 MX graphics
Dual VGA outputs
DDR 200/266/333/400 memory support
4 USB 2.0 Ports
3 FireWire Ports
Advanced 5.1 sound
Cooling HeatPipe
And...only 13lbs fully loaded
Check out our Small Form Factor forum section for additional SFF information


This was pulled from Sudhian (http://www.sudhian.com) and here (http://download.sudhian.com/SN41.pdf) is the link to the .pdf file

[ 27 September 2002: Message edited by: CyberDrac ]

PS I love the mention in the .pdf of ATA1333! please tell me that this is a typo!

[ 27 September 2002: Message edited by: CyberDrac ]

[danielctull]

no competition Daniel... go fer a PC!! The only thing ye can do wi' the Xbox is play games. A PC can do that easily... and so much more besides

And at any rate the SN41 is probally smaller than that huge ol' XBox :cool:

[The Pimp]

Can only play games on the X-Box??? I know that you can also watch DVD's, listen to audio CD's and a whole lot more besides as well! As from next March you will also be able to go online with the X-Box & play other users around the world, and before verylong you will also be able to browse the web and other pc type things (especially once the ported Linux becomes more available). It all depends on how much you want to spend. To get X-Box type performance in games from a SFF PC, you will need to spend quite a bit more (mainly on the GFX card side of things).

If your main priority is playing games or watching DVD's/listening to music, go for the X-Box, if you want to do a little bit of everything ut are willing to sacrifice a bit on gfx content then go with a SFF PC (unless you have plenty of money burning a hole in your pocket).

[danielctull]

When XBox Live goes out on the 14th March it will only be used for playing games. No net surfing, as they are aiming at high quality gaming.

Plus on a PC, you'd be able to surf net and watch dvd's, especially with dual vga ports as standard.

If I put a gforce 4 in the SN41, would i be able to have four moniters running (two from dual vga onboard and two from apg card)?

[Kynoch]

To use the AGP port you have to disable the onboard graphics, so you can only use the otputs on the GF4 and not the ones built into the shuttle at the same time.

[Kynoch]

To use the AGP port you have to disable the onboard graphics, so you can only use the otputs on the GF4 and not the ones built into the shuttle at the same time.

[CyberDrac]

Woooo ... deja vu :confused:

[Kynoch]

Hmm weired, i dont remeber pressing the post buttin twice.

[PJ Matthews]

You do not have to disable the on board (AGP) graphics to run an AGP card, this happens automatically under the BIOS.

You are right about the dual AGP card thing. It is not possible for two AGP cards to run on one system, you could however have a AGP and a PCI card running fine. This is hardware limitation of the AGP design - not a bug.

PJ

[ 27 September 2002: Message edited by: PJ Matthews ]

[Little Gem]

Some more information from Sudhian Forums (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=33&threadid=22486).

Saturday September 28, 2002 6:02 AM (NEW!)


Actually CyberDrac Posting but my other half left it logged in her name.
Hi

Yesterday I went to Shuttle's 'XPC Roadshow' in Birmingham UK.

This is a quick rundown from memory - I'll be posting a full article on our website later this week.

This event was organised by Morex (UK Shuttle distributor) & Shuttle.
The VP of Shuttle was there, (with othere staff), the owner of Morex & his staff. Also there were representitives of NVidia & AMD.

The event was organised to keep us upto date on the latest & upcoming Shuttle XPC & related products. (The best bit). I learnt a few things that I didn't already know! NVidia talked about the NForce2 used in the upcoming SN40 & AMD told us all about their roadmap for AMD CPU's. (As both these companies are tied in closely with the upcoming SN40G).

At the event 2 lucky people won XPC systems. A fully loaded SS40G & a fully loaded SS51G! (Sad to say, I wasn't a winner...).
But I got some cool NVidia baseball caps, Shuttle tee-shirts!

I had the opportunity to talk directly with Shuttle's staff there & to make suggestions etc. They were very interested in what people had to say.

Here's a quick run down on the news:
SN40G's will be shipping into all countries at the end of October & they promised that this date would not slip!
All future Shuttle AMD based XPC's will have a CPU temperature sensor circuit that will immediately shutdown the CPU if it gets above 75'C. This is based on the 'official' circuit that AMD are encouraging all AMD CPU based mobo manufactuers to fit.
They reckon that if you fit an AMD CPU without a heatsink, it won't fry - the circuit will stop that. (Good news & about time I say).
They would be making parts for Shuttle XPC's more readily available by the end of October - such as:
PSU's, Mobo's & accessories.

Talking of accessories - there will be:
ICE coolers for the SS50F
Coloured faceplates - which we already know about
XPC carry bags - which we already know about
The CV-20, DVI & TV-out for SS51G - which we already know about
A 6 in card reader for the 3.5" external bay.
Addin blue tooth module

For future products!
Onboard bluetooth
Onboard wireless LAN!
Versions of XPC with 2x5.25" external bay

Suggestions were made to Shuttle such as:
Anodising the Aluminium on the XPC's to stop the dreaded 'grease finger rot' - They replied that future products would have this.
More colours for faceplates - They said that this was being considered
I asked about them tying up with CD/DVD & peripheral manufacturers to get stuff made in matching colours. They said that they are already talking to some companies about this - Lite-on was mentioned.
I also suggested that as their XPC bag only took small sized keyboard & that these are expensive & not easily available, then maybe they should consider getting some Shuttle branded & matching coloured keyboard (& maybe mice & headphones) to suit the XPC's. As they'd mentioned adding Bluetooth to future XPC's then these could be Bluetooth versions - They seemed to like this idea! I said that I'm sure that these would sell well!

And:
The there will definately be an SN41G - this will be based on the VIA KT400 chipset. (This is obviously being done as a cheaper & more readily available alternative to the N-Force2 based SN40G).There will be future XPC's based on Intel chipsets!

Here's a piccy on the SN41:



And a piccy of the SN40 mobo:





Cheers

Nigel

[ 28 September 2002: Message edited by: Little Gem ]

[danielctull]

Shouldn't it be SV for the Via board?

[PJ Matthews]

Yeah but is nvidia so SN! lol

[danielctull]

there will definately be an SN41G - this will be based on the VIA KT400 chipset

It says Via though...

He says they'll be two, the Via and the nVidia one.

[PJ Matthews]

Ahh - didn't get you, in that case your right. The letter used is wrong. I've never heard of a plan to use anything other than the nforce chipset and to be honest it doesn't make sense to produce two system boards that do the same thing.

[Dingo]

I don't see a piccy of SN41 or motherboard, is it just me? I'm so confused with all these sn40's, 41's and suffix's any chance of a one liner description of the various models?

[danielctull]

i'll second that :rolleyes:

[PJ Matthews]

offically

SS40G - AMD Socket A sis chipset based. Has two PCI, on board graphics and more.

SN41 - Nvidia based version of the above featuring an AGP slot.

[CyberDrac]

Dingo and danielctull.

Follow the link from LittleGem's post if you want to see the photos.
Stop waiting to be spoon fed the information it's all there for the taking if you just read the posts thouroughly.

[PJ Matthews]

Yeah - if you guys are REALLY interested in them then register yourself at viahardwares sff forums. If you don't hear it there first, then it hasn't happened.

[Dingo]

Thanks for the info PJ. Silly me,I was looking for a link around where it said "here is". Found the link at the top though. Seems I was not the only person getting confused with the numbers.
Also seems like someone didn't read my post properly, or maybe he hasn't had his nappy changed, being the weekend and all.

[PJ Matthews]

:D - I can't remember how i first found VIA Hardware, its muct of been in my days of finding out info on the epia boards. Its a wealth of info. You asked about the SN41s motherboard. I can't remember if I've seen a photo of it or not, probably not. Alot of mystery will still suround its capabilities until its released as, will previsous models, its spec is more than likely to changed a little before release.

Until then your better to kick back, buy an epia and wait until early novemeber for our first units to arrive.

[Little Gem]

It's only speculation by Prax but it is the only new news I could find in the Sudhian Forums (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=33&threadid=22692).

And I quote

"Just a spiculation on my part but maybe we will see the new shuttle system on the 7th of this month this is according to this:


<< The Inquirer has put an interesting news-story about Nvidia's marketing plans on the upcoming nForce2 core-logic with integrated graphics. The actual products based on this device will appear only after 7th of October, when AMD launches its Athlon XP processors with 333 MHz system bus, hence, now it is the right time to discuss the marketing plans and launch details with mainboard partners. -Reactor Critical >>

Also alot of sites are saying that the new AMD's will be out today? So who knows we might see the new shuttle by the end of next week?

Just a thought...
Prax"

[danielctull]

ok, great news about the SN41, I have £100 saved, should be able to get together another couple hundred quid in a couple weeks...

Just another thought reading bout bus speeds and such, just wondering if i can use 400Mhz DDR-RAM with a athlon xp with a 266Mhz bus speed? probally me being stupid but i dont want my first own-built pc not working...

[PJ Matthews]

just change the bus speed - it supports the up coming 333 based 2800 xp (launched today).

[danielctull]

so i put in a AMD Athlon XP @ 266 or 300 Mhz bus speed and some DDR-RAM in at 400Mhz ?

[PJ Matthews]

Go for it - gives you more room when OCing.

[afraser2k]

NForce2 Shuttle pics are now available here (http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=198&page=1).