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shifty.ricky
16-10-2006, 14:16
OK, here is my take on this woman.
Why is she treating these people as play things? Why did she feel the need to adopt an african child over one from the UK. She has a free licence to adopt from wherever she feels fit but I'm afraid that I see this as just a very shallow attempt self promotion using this child as some sort of bargaining chip.
Personally I dont think that she should be allowed to adopt him. I would rather that she pays for his and a few more childs education so that they stay in the local community and then contribute to it when they are older. What is removing a child from his home country going to do, last time I looked madonna wasnt exactly the best role model to follow.
If I was 1 and later found out that I was taken as some celebs play thing I would be royally pished.
Comments below please.
Big Adam
16-10-2006, 14:27
Well you'd be royally pished but probably also healthy, warm and well educated.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a nice story and I strongly suspect that the authorities are digging their heels in, not for the best interest of the child, but on the hope that a few bulging envelopes will head their way.
In terms of tragedy, the african baby story pales into insignificance when compared to the recent actions of the parents of Charlotte Wyatt (http://lifestyle.aol.co.uk/parenting/right-to-life-baby-charlotte-fostered/article/20061016043409990003)
Fight for the right for your severely brain-damaged child to live.......and then give her up for adoption because you've now got two "normal" kids, have squeezed the council for a bigger house, and just can't be bothered any more.
One hopes that she finds foster parents who can give her the love she deserves during a life she didn't ask for.
Geeze, not only do I think she should be allowed to adopt the kid I think she should adopt ME!
I think she would have realised that some people would think it was for publicity and gave it a lot of consideration. I believe this child would be loved and have a lot better chance of a good life and education, I would also hazzard a guess that Madonna will be helping the village and family the little one comes from.
Well its all good that she has adopted a very hard done by child.....but I do question her motif's!
No doubt by adopting a African baby she has given herself that extra exposure by the media but I also believe it is becoming fashionable to adopt a poor starved child from a third world country :rolleyes:
plenty of needy children closer to home...
Cosmo_1847
16-10-2006, 15:53
You never know, she might hire the rest of the family as her servents and fly them over to the UK.
It will suck for the kid when they relisese that his real parents live in a 3rd world country and he's living the high live in the UK. A good thing that could happy is that the kid gets top rate schooling and health care and when he is older he will be able to contribute something or go back and help people in his country of birth.
The worst thing that could happen is the kid is used as a fashion thingy to be used in front of the cameras and get's sent off to boarding school when he becomes older.
Big Adam
16-10-2006, 16:16
Interesting that the media is only highlighting the Madonna aspect.
Guess one-trick-pony-director Guy Richie doesn't sell enough tabloids? :confused:
shifty.ricky
16-10-2006, 17:07
Well you'd be royally pished but probably also healthy, warm and well educated.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a nice story and I strongly suspect that the authorities are digging their heels in, not for the best interest of the child, but on the hope that a few bulging envelopes will head their way.
In terms of tragedy, the african baby story pales into insignificance when compared to the recent actions of the parents of Charlotte Wyatt (http://lifestyle.aol.co.uk/parenting/right-to-life-baby-charlotte-fostered/article/20061016043409990003)
Fight for the right for your severely brain-damaged child to live.......and then give her up for adoption because you've now got two "normal" kids, have squeezed the council for a bigger house, and just can't be bothered any more.
One hopes that she finds foster parents who can give her the love she deserves during a life she didn't ask for.
Aye. I thought the CW was shocking. When it first surfaced I thought that the parents were only in it for themselves.
There will be loads of people that are able to give her the life she deserves.
No doubt by adopting a African baby she has given herself that extra exposure by the media but I also believe it is becoming fashionable to adopt a poor starved child from a third world country :rolleyes: plenty of needy children closer to home
Hear Hear!
To me it smacks of why adopt someone from the UK when you can adopt a child from the third world, try to appear like you actually give a feck about thier problems.
redswipe
16-10-2006, 17:22
I have seen nothing about Madonna that leads me to believe any of her children have been or will be poorly treated so I cant understand criticism from the child welfare people in Malawi.
I do have a suspicion that She made the decision to adopt because of Angelina Jolie's previous adoptions but is that a bad thing? The child will undoubtedly have a better standard of life in terms of health, education and every other aspect you can think of.
As for the argument about there being needy children in the UK? The adoption process in the UK is extremely difficult and the numbers of parents wishing to adopt outweigh the number of children available. Also a child in the UK who cant get adopted will still be kept in a foster or care home which while not ideal it is more than a child in Malawi would get so she is definitely helping the child that needs it more.
If she's adopting an Afro-Caribbean child as a PR stunt she shouldn't be allowed.
If she's adopting an Afro-Caribbean child to:
"Give at least one little person a chance in the world"
then she definitely shouldn't be allowed. Someone who thinks that has mental problems.
She caused trouble by having an African-American portray Jesus, now she's messing with kids.
Interesting that the media is only highlighting the Madonna aspect.
Guess one-trick-pony-director Guy Richie doesn't sell enough tabloids? :confused:
from what I previously read Guy didn't want to adopt another child - I guess that he got stomped on/gave up for an easy life ...
redswipe
16-10-2006, 18:33
If she's adopting an Afro-Caribbean child to:
"Give at least one little person a chance in the world"
then she definitely shouldn't be allowed. Someone who thinks that has mental problems.
So you would rather the child grew up in poverty with no chance of a decent standard of life than be brought up in a loving, financially secure household? That sounds a bit cruel to me.
I was adopted as a baby because my adopted parents decided to in your words "Give at least one little person a chance in the world" and the fact that my natural parents decided to give me up for adoption is something I will always be grateful for. I suppose you think my parents must have had "mental problems" as well?
shifty.ricky
16-10-2006, 18:40
I do have a suspicion that She made the decision to adopt because of Angelina Jolie's previous adoptions but is that a bad thing? The child will undoubtedly have a better standard of life in terms of health, education and every other aspect you can think of.
Yes. Adoption is a 2 way thing. You are looking to get something out of it (satisfaction at raising a child) and the child is looking to get out of care.
As for the argument about there being needy children in the UK? The adoption process in the UK is extremely difficult and the numbers of parents wishing to adopt outweigh the number of children available. Also a child in the UK who cant get adopted will still be kept in a foster or care home which while not ideal it is more than a child in Malawi would get so she is definitely helping the child that needs it more.
So just becuase something is difficult then it should be avoided? The adoption process in Malawi is also hard. Its meant to take 4 months.
Also, there is no way more foster parents than children in care. If there were why are there still children in care. I think you thinking about babies where there are more parents than children but over about 4 years old you dont have a hope in hell of getting adopted.
If she really wanted to "help those that are more needy" why doesnt she just donate a few million. That would help far more than she ever could by adopting one child.
Cosmo_1847
16-10-2006, 19:09
The figures about how long it takes the adobtion seem to change depending on the source.
The committee insists that Malawian law prohibits international adoption and requires a minimum of 18 months' assessment.
If she is heart set on giving the child all of her love and the best education and health he can get then I think that she should be allowed but as Ricky said, giving a couple of million would help a lot more. It only takes £15 a month to send one child to school in a 3rd world county but I'm not sure which one we are sponsoring.
The child will be in safe hands because the foster / adoption parents are well checked before they are allowed become foster parents.
It does strick me as a little odd that she adopts someone from Malawian instead of the UK. According the the BBC a password for the little lad has already been authorised. So maybe the deed is done?
redswipe
16-10-2006, 19:14
Also, there is no way more foster parents than children in care. If there were why are there still children in care.
I didn't say that were did I? There are more parents wishing to adopt than there are babies for adoption. Fostering a child and adopting a baby are completely different. She obviously doesn't want to foster she wants to adopt.
If she really wanted to "help those that are more needy" why doesnt she just donate a few million. That would help far more than she ever could by adopting one child.
She has donated and helped raise millions for charity and She donated £1.7 million to an orphans charity in Malawi 2 months ago.
So you would rather the child grew up in poverty with no chance of a decent standard of life than be brought up in a loving, financially secure household? That sounds a bit cruel to me.
I was adopted as a baby because my adopted parents decided to in your words "Give at least one little person a chance in the world" and the fact that my natural parents decided to give me up for adoption is something I will always be grateful for. I suppose you think my parents must have had "mental problems" as well?
On the contrary- you've misinterpreted my point. I was trying to say that if she and Mr Madonna were to perceive someone as deprived because of the fact they come from the Third World and they see themselves as the child's saviour then that would be warped thinking.
Also, let's not assume that because of Madonna's money that would make her a good parent. You can't buy happiness. Time would tell whether she would give a stable upbringing for the kid in question. But considering how many stories we've heard of celebrities evading the Press and people getting hurt as a consequence, is that the most suitable environment for a child?
I simply beg the question as to why she, someone who has had her own healthy child, is adopting from a country foreign to her. I would ask the same question of Angeline Jolie also.
redswipe
16-10-2006, 20:24
On the contrary- you've misinterpreted my point.
If she's adopting an Afro-Caribbean child to:
"Give at least one little person a chance in the world"
then she definitely shouldn't be allowed. Someone who thinks that has mental problems.
No I didn't. It was pretty clear, as was your description of the boy as "Afro Caribbean". Geography obviously not a strong point :D
Also, let's not assume that because of Madonna's money that would make her a good parent.
Good point. So why assume that it wont? As I said earlier I have never heard a single thing which leads me to believe they are in any way bad parents.
I simply beg the question as to why she, someone who has had her own healthy child, is adopting from a country foreign to her.
Because she wants another baby? You should remember that she is a foreigner in this country herself and as such her feelings about national boundaries and identity may be more relaxed than yours.
As a final note it seems quite ironic to me that the people who are claiming she has done this for publicity are actually the people who are creating all of it.
Good point. So why assume that it wont? As I said earlier I have never heard a single thing which leads me to believe they are in any way bad parents.
I didn't. I said "Time would tell whether she would give a stable upbringing for the kid in question."
Because she wants another baby? You should remember that she is a foreigner in this country herself and as such her feelings about national boundaries and identity may be more relaxed than yours.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about my feelings towards different Nationalities. :)
I simply wanted to know:
A) Why adopt?
B) Why that part of the world.
redswipe
16-10-2006, 21:12
I'd appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about my feelings towards different Nationalities. :)
I didn't make any assumptions. You questioned her decision and raised the race of the child meaning as I think I quite accuratly observed "her feelings about national boundaries and identity may be more relaxed than yours".
I simply wanted to know:
A) Why adopt?
B) Why that part of the world.
Because I dont see anything wrong with what She has done all I can do is ask why not?
I can fully understand why Madonna has done this.
I cannot stand to see any child in any kind of pain. If the kid gets a hug from Madonna and guy then whats wrong?
Why should this child get not get adopted in favour of a child from the USA/UK, ffs they're just kids?
All the kids from Malawi can come and crash at mine as far as I'm concerned......if it will help
Exactly my thoughts too robdos, I think Madonna is doing something most people would never even think of doing, simply because she knows she can give him a better life, which will be better for him in the long run.
I'm sure if she could, she would take all of them with her, but that's a bit of a handfull ;)
I say nice one Madge.
jimmyeat
17-10-2006, 16:15
i remember when i first saw madonna...
it was 1984. She was so hot! I was about 7.
she still quite hot now.
shifty.ricky
19-10-2006, 14:11
I read a article last night in which madonna said that she wanted to save Baby David from a life of poverty. Nice to see she thinks that povery is just about money and not the emotional poverty of not being near family that this is going to create.
redswipe
19-10-2006, 23:06
Nice to see she thinks that povery is just about money and not the emotional poverty of not being near family that this is going to create.
So you think an individual who has been given up for adoption by his family in the hope that he will have a better life with two parents wont then grow up to think of those people as his parents and have a better life because of that?
shifty.ricky
20-10-2006, 00:51
Nope. (10 chars)
redswipe
20-10-2006, 01:45
Nope. (10 chars)
When talking of the boys adoption you said his "not being near family" is going to create "emotional poverty" did you not? If you didnt mean that why write it?
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