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in a magazine i bought today i have seen an article on burglary, i thought i would contribute it to these forums as its very impotant to hear,
potential burgulars are now leaving tell tale chalk signs outside your house either a (NO) in a circle means theyve scanned youre house and youre not in and a (X) or similar means theyve scanned your house and are aware you have a house worth hitting.
very disturbing news isnt it, please take note of this those theiving ba****** need to be put behind bars for years in my opinion but the law is too weak on them. hope i can help you out by knowing this, they tend to hit early in the morning.i have had a chalk sign left outside my house this morning, its making me panic like hell now i know what it means
i suggest if anyone has a chalk sign outside their house to report it to the police straight away. if you dont mind admins i will post this elsewhere on these forums, if i can help people from being burgled.
Big Adam
30-06-2006, 17:09
Don't spam the forums.
What exactly do you expect the police to do when you report that someone has made a chalk mark on your wall?
If you live in North Staffs you've got nothing to fear, all the rain will wash the chalk away.
This story is up there with never flashing your lights at someone driving an unlit car because it's probably a gang taking part in an initiation ceremony and they'll crash into you and kill your family.
Well im trying to help people here, im sorry if this breaks the rules, and the sarcasm is not funny at all is it really, i understand i have to be carefull what im saying to admins and moderators, but spam is not something this important but crap from the internet. im sure that a lot of people on here would be glad of the knowledge in this matter
but once again thanks for the nasty and sarcastic reply
Thread re-opened.
This is 100% true, and I know all about it.
It's mainly itinerants doing old ladies houses tbh, but it's also been known for ram-raiders to use a similar system for marking a 'weak point' on a wall.
If you find a fresh chalk mark on the outside of your house, DO REPORT IT!
Havent seen the news about that before but I do remember something about hackers putting chalk marks outside somebodys house if they have wireless so they get into somebodys system, funny thing is a couple of days later I found one on my wall, so I jus turned my wireless function off on my router (never us it all wired) they steal anything.
Thanks for posting this Aztec, sounds really scary but at least were now we're in the know. I can't believe all the planning that goes into targeting a house, why can't they just get a ****ing job! I still think the best defence against burglary is to purchase a cute Doberman with big teeth and a bad temper. :D
shifty.ricky
01-07-2006, 08:58
Can I put chalk on my walls and wait inside witha shotgun...would that class as entrapment
jacobzcoool
01-07-2006, 09:00
Good idea... Police should set up a trap like that in areas with high burglary rates - when someone breaks in, there is a load of police waiting
funnily enough the law says if you catch a burgular breaking in the only legal way you can tackle him/her is to trap them in a window or door, if they are in your house already and give them a good kicking the law is on their side, something needs to be done about this and a million other pathetic laws britain has got
The law has been changed on that from what I heard. I think you are allowed to use reasonable (or maybe equal force if they are attacking you) force to either restrain or stop them. You cant stab or shoot them but you can use some force within your own home I think.
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:omUDXqQdUSkJ:www.warkcom.net/live/images/cme_resources/Users/sdal/docs/execmins-270406.doc+burglary+chalk+signs&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=4
shifty.ricky
01-07-2006, 11:39
funnily enough the law says if you catch a burgular breaking in the only legal way you can tackle him/her is to trap them in a window or door, if they are in your house already and give them a good kicking the law is on their side, something needs to be done about this and a million other pathetic laws britain has got
Only if they find a body. I kid you not anyone breaks into my house while I'm there and they would not be found. I live in a place with plenty of woodland and flooded quarries to get rid of them in.
You are allowed to defend yourself against an attacker on the street as long as you use reasonable force. I imagine it would be the same in your house. However what if they just carry on robbing you and don't actually attack you? :rolleyes: Forthy will have to clear that one up.
I bet now that this information about tagging houses with chalk has gone public more people are gonna be doing it just for kicks with no intent to follow up.
bob_monkhouse
01-07-2006, 12:01
You are allowed to defend yourself against an attacker on the street as long as you use reasonable force. I imagine it would be the same in your house. However what if they just carry on robbing you and don't actually attack you? :rolleyes: Forthy will have to clear that one up.
You are right that the test is whether you used "reasonable force". of course, it is ultimately down to the particular jury to decide what is reasonable in the circumstances. So whilst it might be reasonable to batter an intruder over the head with a frying pan which you happened to grab in a moment of panic at 3am in the morning, it is probably not reasonable to chase a burgular down the street with a carving knife before stabbing them in the back!
If they don't attack you, but you attach them, you could still claim self defence. You are allowed to strike first, but would have to able to convince a jury that you thought that you were preventing harm to yourself another. If someone comes at you to hit you in your house then it would seem reasonable that you get the first punch in.
Juries historically are reluctant to convict people for these offences, I guess because we can all imagine doing the same in their position. Of course, you get the odd exception (a la Tony Martin), but those cases often have unusual facts!
What if they got attacked by your Dog?
I don't fancy anyones chances against my 8st German Shepherd,
I do have signs up saying Watch Out German Shepherd About, can i be liable if they ignore it and break in anyway? what about if there are no signs warning? always wondered this
I believe the law is that if they cause harm to you whilst in your house, you are legally allowed to shoot them dead, as long as you can proove that they caused you sufficient damage. Roll on the shotguns.
In England and Wales, you can (and always have been able to...) use reasonable and proportionate force to defend yourself and your property. (I'm no expert on Scottish law, but I imagine it's very similar.) You can in fact also use reasonable and proportionate force to defend somebody else and/or their property if it is being unlawfully set-upon in anyway - ie to prevent theft of it, damage to it, or injury being caused.
This is rather pleasing because it means that when I stop billy burglar in the midle of the night with a bag of swag over his shoulder I can handcuff him, as it is reasonable and proportionate that I do so, to prevent his escape from lawful custody.
Originally protected by the common law breach of the peace, and now endorsed by the criminal justice act (sec 136 if I'm not mistaken), and the Police And Criminal Evidence act (PACE 1984). However, one may have to go to court and justify that any force used was reasonable and proportionate.
In all honesty, the law is a complicated beast on the subject, and the real answer to it is to try and avoid getting yourself killed, because that doesn't help anyone. If you're able to detain the offender, or at least gather bit of DNA evidence, all the better. On the flip side of this, remember that burglars are normally junkies, and junkies carry knives and needles, and have no regard for their own personal safety, let alone yours.
Just gotta do what you think's right at the time, and be prepared to justify in in the light of hindsight later.
shifty.ricky
01-07-2006, 14:49
Sort of the same advice we get given over whether to fire your weapon when on duty with the army.
"Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".
When in doubt
Punch him out!
DarkEntity
01-07-2006, 16:48
god help them if they try my house....If the baseball bat dont get them, the Samurai, Tanto or other toys will :)
Forthy, I heard of something similar to this marking of houses, I thought it was an urban legend but you will probably know if there's any truth in it. I used to live in Manchester and their were rumours that people using cashpoints were being marked with chalk on their coats. It makes a kind of sense - you don't want to mug someone right on the high street with loads of people about, but if you know who has just got money out, then mug them when they walk off down a side street or through a park. Quite cunning really.
Ever heard anything about this?
I think that was actually in an episode of the bill tbh, but I think it was one of those 'educational episodes' where the investigating detctive would say something like: "they're marking their victims to be robbed, just like burglars mark houses..." and then subtly integrate some crime prevention advice.
That's not to say it doesn't happen IRL, you'd be surprised what sophisticated schemes people come up with to deprive you of your hard-earned. I can only really comment on things I know to have happened in the Coventry area, or West Midlands if it appears on the briefing system.
It's also interesting to note that EVERY TIME I go to my gran's house I tell her: "make sure you lock your door, make sure you use the chain, make sure you ask for ID, make sure.....". And I'm sure everybody will be pleased to know that last week it all came good! Three distraction burglars turned up at her door telling her they were from the waterboard and that they had to switch off her water because poison had been released in to the local supply. She f'cked 'em off and rang the local filth, and nobody got burgled in the street that day :D
Incidentally, they (the police) checked the houses for chalk marks later the same day. I have no idea what the result was though.
brumster
01-07-2006, 20:56
Okay, those who've been around on these forums for a while will now I went through a rather lovely ordeal last year along these lines so I'll offer some of my own nuggets of information/wisdom :)
If you've got a wheelie bin, drill holes in the bottom of it and don't leave it out front. It's common place to fill 'em up with water and use them to drop alarm boxes into to shut them up.
Have a tall gate restricting access to the back, and make sure it locks. Round off or weld over any nuts, bolts or screwheads to stop people simple undoing them. Use a decent padlock too.
CCTV might be great in catching the buggers, but don't rely on it to stop them actually getting in. They'll still go ahead and break in. You'll just have a better chance of pinning it on the b**tards when they do finally get caught.
Smar****er is a wonderful idea but despite being plastered over everything that was taken, and stickers in all the prominent windows, a dumb thief is a dumb thief and nabs the stuff anyway. No, we haven't seen any of it back...
Never, ever, ever leave tools out in your back garden. Like shovels. They make wonderful door levers. :rolleyes:
Dogs. 'Nuff said. The absolute best way to deal with the whole shebang.
When it happens to you (once, let alone 3 times in a few weeks <cough>) it will turn your life upside down, so for gawds sake do as much as you can to prevent it. Even then, I hate to say it (and I think we were a special case in all honesty) but if they wanna get in, they'll get in. They'll come back, they won't give a monkeys about cameras, alarms, smar****er or anything like that. Particularly the dumb f***er who's now banged up for five and half years for his efforts :)
Thats some good advice brumster. You mentioned "Smar****er", I don't know what that is. :o Can you fill in some of the blanks? :)
Our shed got broken into several years ago. It was only a small padlock, but they just unhinged the door anyway. So my dad reverse fitted the hinges or something so they can't be accessed from the outside, and put a big padlock on. We've not had a break in since.
smart water :D
Our swear filter is funnyas hell :D
smart water :D
Our swear filter is funnyas hell :D
off topic
speaking of swear filters, what about the good old ****EL engine lmao
w a n k e l .... engine
Ah thats cool. I was trying to figure out what the swear word could be. :D
Seems like quite interesting stuff. But like brumster said, if they don't heed the warnings its not gonna stop them taking it in the first place.
master baits
02-07-2006, 02:14
What if they got attacked by your Dog?
I don't fancy anyones chances against my 8st German Shepherd,
I do have signs up saying Watch Out German Shepherd About, can i be liable if they ignore it and break in anyway? what about if there are no signs warning? always wondered this
I have seen 2 x gsd put down by that attitued and a 10k comp to the burgular.
master baits
02-07-2006, 02:22
Reasonable force is jury related ONLY if its a jury trial , exactly just how do you define reasonable force.....minimum force , maximum force or deadly.....just what one would you like to get.....just how far would you go to protect yourself and your children etc.
The chalk thing is ultimately an urban legend , which perhaps is starting to show truth.
Alarms arent worth a charlie chuck , if you dont have them on.The smallest gap on a window IS enough if its open , ive seen 4 yr olds put through windows , and I can tell you now that a dog is nothing to the determined.
lets get back to reasonable force , as a debate just how far would you go?
Theres lots of folk that talk big , big men will still be a crying woman if he has to hear the life coming out of a person , even if that person is a burgular scum the noise will never leave you and theres lots of them to be your cell mate for a conviction for murder.
and I can tell you now that a dog is nothing to the determined..
You don't even need to be determined - just smart. There was that show featuring ex-burglars teaching home security - the guy was straight in through the kitchen window, straight into the fridge. Great big steak for the nice doggie who is now his best friend.
redswipe
02-07-2006, 03:30
On the subject of being found guilty of assaulting or killing a burglar it all comes down to whether your actions are pre meditated (i.e you had weapons or traps ready) or not self defence (i.e chased him).
If you end up in court a jury is very unlikely to find you guilty if you hit him over the head with a vase or an ashtray but if you use a baseball bat or a knife that you keep in your bedroom they will think your preparedness for a fight makes it more likely that you were the aggressor and less likely you only acted in self defense.
I remember listening to a debate about this a few years ago when Tony Martin was released. Someone who I believe was an lawyer said that in the last 8 years (give or take a few) of the 10 people who were tried for murdering a burglar, only 2 were found guilty. 1 had shot the burglar in the back when he was trying to get away and the other had tied him up and tortured him to death.
If you look at cases where people have been found guilty of lessor crimes of assualt or manslaughter of burglars they all used weapons that they had ready for such an event or they obviously didnt act in self defense like a case 4 years ago where a man chased a burglar from the house into his garden and stabbed him in the back over 20 times.
brumster
02-07-2006, 08:19
Put it like this - I have a large mag-lite to hand in case the power goes out and I need to see where I'm going in the dark :)
Put it like this - I have a large mag-lite to hand in case the power goes out and I need to see where I'm going in the dark :)
I have a rifle with an image intensifier scope on it if the lights go out and I need to see where I'm going... oops.... forgot it was loaded....
brumster
02-07-2006, 08:50
Chuckle - only you, Slammy, only you ;)
I have seen 2 x gsd put down by that attitued
What attitude? my attitude? i would never set my Dog on anyone if that's what you mean? my Dogs life is worth more than that, but i wouldn't stop him attacking someone who broke into my house, a potential threat to my family
As i said earlier i have signs warning people he's about, can i still be held liable if burglars choose to ignore them?
BloomerzUK
02-07-2006, 11:02
Bugalar grease (Anti-Climb Paint) is good stuff. Get everywhere, and makes your f00k down if you stand on it.
But you must not forget its there :D.
As i said earlier i have signs warning people he's about, can i still be held liable if burglars choose to ignore them?
No, simply :)
No, simply :)
Thank you Forthy :)
jacobzcoool
02-07-2006, 15:46
What about a tripwire across the path with 2 shotguns linked to it? ;)
Stops door to door salesmen and the god squad too :)
Cod Ball
02-07-2006, 17:31
Yes.....because that's not stupid or anything ;)
I live on the 2nd floor of a flat so it's unlikely they'd try robbing me, it looks a bit obvious with some guy climbing up a ladder in the middle of the night into a window. But if someone did i don't know what i'd do, i'm not guna pretend i'm really brave and i'd run out and i a heroic voice say "you there! stop!" i don;t know what i'd do. Maybe i'd just get my air pistol and step into the doorway and say "excuse me mate, i have an air pistol here now if you don't get the **** out of my house i'm going to have to shoot one off" I mean yeh i wouldnt shoot him in the face but it would hurt alot eve if i shot him in the leg!
My dad told me a great story, bascialyl outside his house (when he was way younger) he parked his car and ever night his car kept getting broken into, so one night he and his mate left a stereo on the seat and sat at the window with an air rifle when the guy came and bent down to grab the stereo they shot him in the **** and he pegged it all the way down the road screaming into a load of police men who were waiting, they got in trouble for that but only by one of the officers but he didnt really care.
I think that was actually in an episode of the bill tbh,
haha it was iv seen that episode!
master baits
03-07-2006, 03:21
No, simply :)
Sorry forthy but on this one your wrong , and it happened in an english court.
Farmer , signs etc aboutguard dogs , guy breaks in 2 gsd eat th guys fingers guy gets comp and farmer was charged for it.
As for anymore comparing tony martin to a hero he was an **** , the reason why he got time was BECAUSE a he shot a burgular and lied about it , and he had his licence removed and used someone elses gun to do it.He lied in court , lied about everyting and most probably had lis licence removed for mental incompetency , adn also threats to shoot burgualrs.
Sorry forthy but on this one your wrong , and it happened in an english court.
Farmer , signs etc aboutguard dogs , guy breaks in 2 gsd eat th guys fingers guy gets comp and farmer was charged for it.
When, where, and charged with what?
[edit] also "guarddogs" are covered by different legislation to Shelley's family pet!
As for anymore comparing tony martin to a hero he was an ****
At least the burglar that Martin shot won't be burgling anybody else's house anytime soon ;) Shame he missed the other one tbh...
Cod Ball
03-07-2006, 15:56
These rules are stupid....someone breaks into YOU'RE property un-invited with intention to steal your posesions you should be able to beat the **** out of them, and they shouldn't be able to do jack all about it after all they've come uninvited and should expect that to happen to them, stupid thiefs + laws.
redswipe
03-07-2006, 16:38
These rules are stupid....someone breaks into YOU'RE property un-invited with intention to steal your posesions you should be able to beat the **** out of them, and they shouldn't be able to do jack all about it after all they've come uninvited and should expect that to happen to them, stupid thiefs + laws.
You have to have rules in place to protect the innocent and the current laws are there to do that. You can beat the **** out of a burglar in self defence and as long as you dont turn it into some kind of punishment beating you will probobly not be punished in any way.
You cant give people carte blanche to kill anyone who comes onto their property uninvited because it would lead to completely innocent people being killed. What you are suggesting would mean that kids who jump over the fence to get their ball back would become fair game. Anyone who wants to murder someone would just take them back to their house, do it there and say they broke in.
I believe the law should be changed so that any burglar who is caught carrying a weapon of any description (tools included) should be charged with attempted murder. Why is it always assumed they are just going to rob the house? The fact they are carrying a weapon should prove that they had intent and they should be sent down for at least 5 years.
This would stop an enourmous amount of burgalrys because the majority of burglars are serial offenders commiting dozens or sometimes hundreds of crimes and if they are interned they are not out thieving. It would also allow the occupier a bit more leeway in how they defend themselves in event of a break in.
Cod Ball
04-07-2006, 15:01
What you are suggesting would mean that kids who jump over the fence to get their ball back would become fair game.
Not at all, if a kids jumps across your fence to get THEIR ball back that's fine but a thief isn't breking into your house to steal HIS stuff back...unless you stole it from him :rolleyes:
He's going to steal the stuff YOU bought with YOUR money which YOU worked for.
The problem is, you never know their intentions. They might be breaking in to tell you your house is on fire or something (only an example but there could be a number of things).
redswipe
04-07-2006, 16:17
Not at all, if a kids jumps across your fence to get THEIR ball back that's fine but a thief isn't breking into your house to steal HIS stuff back...unless you stole it from him :rolleyes:
He's going to steal the stuff YOU bought with YOUR money which YOU worked for.
You seem to be missing my point. In the US a lot of innocent people have lost their lives because of trigger happy home owners shooting first and asking questions later. I'm glad I live here rather than there because although we have more burglarys per person we have a hell of a lot less murders because America still has these stupid "Wild West" laws.
If the cost of never being burgled is an innocent life then personally I would rather have my stuff nicked.
So, essentially this is War Chalking, but for burglars, not geeks. Damit, burglars get your own ideas!
Surely you could just chalk your own house to indicate that its not a viable prospect as a potential deterent?
brumster
04-07-2006, 17:08
Surely you could just chalk your own house to indicate that its not a viable prospect as a potential deterent?
I thought about that, but figured it'd be more fun to mark it as "ready game" and then lie in wait and smash the fc**er over the head with me maglite...
...downstairs, obviously, where it's tiled. Wouldn't want to mess up the carpet with icky brain goo :p
The problem is, you never know their intentions. They might be breaking in to tell you your house is on fire or something (only an example but there could be a number of things).
Im pretty shore you would know if your house was on fire..
jacobzcoool
04-07-2006, 20:02
Definitely :eek:
The flames and heat would be a good clue :p
anyway, if I saw a house on fire, I would dial 999, not break into it
Which would explain why people die while still in their beds from inhaling all the smoke totally oblivious to the fire in the kitchen downstairs :rolleyes: .
I wouldn't assume people know about it.
If you read what I said, that was only a completely random example. I'm sure if you use your brain you can think of something else.
Im pretty shore you would know if your house was on fire..
Maybe you would hope for a tsunami, if you were by the shore.
Maybe you would hope for a tsunami, if you were by the shore.
Surely you could have atleast come up with something that made sense! hehe,
I'm surely sure that if you lived by the shore you would not hope that there was a tsunami :p
Surely you could have atleast come up with something that made sense! hehe,
Shore, i could have done, but the son is low over the sure, and I couldnt sea for looking.
master baits
04-07-2006, 21:40
How about an update , sorry dont know the complete ins and outs forthy but its legit , i used to be up to date on dog affairs.
Heres an update for all of you , and its quite close to current topic.I was attacked in my house just last night , gave as good as I got , and guess whom was charged....and to add insult the police charged me with assualt and botp for it.
I aint joking here girls.
/irony off
How about an update , sorry dont know the complete ins and outs forthy but its legit , i used to be up to date on dog affairs.
Heres an update for all of you , and its quite close to current topic.I was attacked in my house just last night , gave as good as I got , and guess whom was charged....and to add insult the police charged me with assualt and botp for it.
I aint joking here girls.
/irony off
The world has gone mad, I am in no doubt of that. When are we (law abiding folk) ever going to speak up for whats right and do something about it?
There was some kid on the run from the poice the other week in my neck of the woods, so he found refuge on a roof. The poice had to buy him burger king as it was within in his human rights that he had access to food and water. FFS. Then the police has to pay £20K for the damage he made to the roof! Should have shot the runt.
I feel for you Mr baits.
How about an update , sorry dont know the complete ins and outs forthy but its legit , i used to be up to date on dog affairs.
Heres an update for all of you , and its quite close to current topic.I was attacked in my house just last night , gave as good as I got , and guess whom was charged....and to add insult the police charged me with assualt and botp for it.
I aint joking here girls.
/irony off
:( ffs.
This annoys me greatly!
Man, what are the chances of that. Do you live in a bad area?
I'm sure you don't really want to relive the events, but what were your respective resultant injuries? Would you say you used reasonable force? Was it pre-emptive? Just want to know why you are being charged. And what is happening to the assailant, what is he being charged with?
redswipe
04-07-2006, 22:27
How about an update , sorry dont know the complete ins and outs forthy but its legit , i used to be up to date on dog affairs.
Heres an update for all of you , and its quite close to current topic.I was attacked in my house just last night , gave as good as I got , and guess whom was charged....and to add insult the police charged me with assualt and botp for it.
I aint joking here girls.
/irony off
Was this a burglary?
I think that if we were to hear the full version of events, ie the actual facts that the Police had to work on, it would be significantly different to MB's! ;)
I'd love to see the MG5 on that case....
master baits
05-07-2006, 01:59
dont take this the wrong way i aint looking for pity or sympathy , but its just shocking todays coppers should have to answer to someone punitively.
I have had a few good friends that became coppers , couple of them bigger **** and hash heads than those they get in the back of a weekend....these I am afraid have always been the gooduns.
this is the second time in a year i have been charged with , or threatened with , botp.
the last copper was becuase I had an uppity wee runt of a policeman that thought the badge meant he could do and say what he wanted.He was sent home holding his attitude , his partner backed me when i told him to go and take a royal one to himself....I just love it when they threaten me with the law.
IS it just me or has the uk become the u.s of k , the older I get the less I like the idea of a copper with a gun?
Most of my life the coppper has given me respect , much like what has been reciprocated , but has it became charge the b-stard if he knows his rights or makes them look like an r-sole.....maggies childrens children , I am out of this hole asic before it goes any more right wing.
master baits
05-07-2006, 02:16
Man, what are the chances of that. Do you live in a bad area?
I'm sure you don't really want to relive the events, but what were your respective resultant injuries? Would you say you used reasonable force? Was it pre-emptive? Just want to know why you are being charged. And what is happening to the assailant, what is he being charged with?
I cant for legal reasons go into specifics , but I live in a 1/4 mill house by the seaside 20 miles from custom.
Reasonable force as I have mentioned before is descriptive , I consider the definitation of assertive , agressive to be blurred at the best of times.I was assualted at my front door which entered my house and a "scuffle" happened which could have been as I told the copper "fatal" for the assailant but for my wife asking me to stop it.....the assailant left the house as I called the police instead of my retaliation....which for all intent and purposes is why I have defined PERSONALLY that minimum force means I live full stop.
this mindset is punisheable by law.
redswipe
05-07-2006, 02:21
I used to get in trouble with the police a lot when I was between the ages of about 17 and 22. I must have been arrested about 10 - 15 times and I absolutely hated the police because of it.
I was convinced that the police force was full of right wing facist t*****s who just wanted to bully innocent people and made my views known to them when they tried to do it to me.
Strangely for the last 8 or 9 years I have had no trouble with the police at all and when I have needed assistance from them I found them to be extremely helpful and nothing like I remember them to be.
Upon reflection I now think I understand what has caused this dramatic change.
I grew up and stopped acting like a drunken idiot :D
master baits
05-07-2006, 02:32
I used to get in trouble with the police a lot when I was between the ages of about 17 and 22. I must have been arrested about 10 - 15 times and I absolutely hated the police because of it.
I was convinced that the police force was full of right wing facist t*****s who just wanted to bully innocent people and made my views known to them when they tried to do it to me.
Strangely for the last 8 or 9 years I have had no trouble with the police at all and when I have needed assistance from them I found them to be extremely helpful and nothing like I remember them to be.
Upon reflection I now think I understand what has caused this dramatic change.
I grew up and stopped acting like a drunken idiot :D
The majority of coppers I have known so far in my life have been good guys ,
I DO hoever talk back to them but not as forthy has mentioned as "i pay your wages " I leave that for the old guard.
Gone is the day of "knowing your place" , I had 5 coppers yesterday adn only one was a xxxx , and that just happened to be a woman , the rest I could easilly biy a beer...including the asian guy whom imho I helped get over his fear of dogs.
I live on a council estate and my wife is almost totaly bedridden, when the little miscreants in a local "Gang" decided to start chucking rocks and half bricks at my front window and one THROUGH I dialled 999, two hours later the police called me and asked if I still wanted an officer, I said they were gone now but would have been caught if they had bothered coming in the first hour we were being harrased.
The next time this happened I dialed 999 again and never saw a cop or even recieved a call.
A few days later they were back but I was prepared and caught them in a blind alley behind my home, I administered a NY style "Attitude Adjustment" to one and managed to kick another in the bum before he ran like the rest.
The police arrived in 20 minutes (I did not call them). They asked questions, I asked questions instead of answering them, they went away.
If a burglar came into my house now, after knowing the police may not even bother coming, I would beat said intruder till he stopped moving and then take the consequences.
You'd think the Old Bill would be more interested in lifting burglers, since not only does it remove that source of crime, but since many are drug addicts, it reduces that source of crime also.
Cheers,
Stephen
stuff.
That's not all that reassuring!
Although good to know that if there was something that required urgent police attention they might come, maybe if they can be bothered.
I watched that programme on a while back about the woman who joined the police force to see what went on and found there were some officers who just play hide and seek with squad cars at night, and wouldn't answer a call just because they wanted to eat instead. Also racism and sexism seem to be fairly common.
Obvioulsy not all policeman/woman are like that, but the programme was a bit of an eye opener. :/
brumster
05-07-2006, 14:19
There is a (mis)belief that regional police forces do something called "talking to each other", too. When we got burgled for the umpteenth time, we had CCTV footage of the gentleman in question. I immediately burnt it onto several CDR's along with still images, ready for the police to take away with them, which they did.
Fast forward to a week or two into the future, and a house around the corner is broken into and a sports car (Lotus, I think) stolen from the garage. Offender fills car up in petrol station several miles away and member of the public reports him as "dodgy looking" (along the lines of 'shouldn't be driving a car like that'). Car comes up as stolen; police are there in a tick and guy is apprehended. 'fesses to a few local robberies and starts awaiting his court appearance - lovely jubbly. We hear this all via a chance word-of-mouth discussion with our neighbour.
Now at this point, you would think the relevant members of CID would be looking at all incidents of burglary in the area for any other possible victims. Maybe a quick review of the evidence from our incident to see if anything matches - something along the lines of "oh, feck me, CCTV footage, let's have a look... wow, that's exactly the same bloke we've got sitting downstairs in a cell, great stuff, another one solved!".
But no. It took me ringing the regional CID and alerting them to the fact that we'd also been burgled, that we'd provided evidence to a (different) local police station and that maybe they should consult the footage to see if it's the same guy. Several phone calls later, which centred around basically "we can't get the footage over to our police station" - all of 10 minutes drive away - and nothing. Eventually, after offers of driving a copy of the footage up to their office myself, they get it, stick it in front of the 'perp and he fesses up to our incident too.
The whole process took an inordinately long amount of time - several months - and it was over 6 months before the guy finally went to court and was convicted of the crimes in question and sent down for it. Hey, at least they caught him (and he was in custody for the duration of the period) but the process behind the scenes could really do with some 'streamlining'. I wonder if they'd like my services :D
The police station in town has been CLOSED!, we MAY see a CSO twice a month, I asked one if he wanted photos of some kids damaging a car and he said, We cant use them because "its unlawfull to take a picture without a specific purpose"
Like I said, I am on my own with no protection, the gang kids think I am a badass (I am big but actually I am a wonky old sod) and the druggies nod as they walk by (I have long hair) so those two groups leave us be, but the authorities are nowhere to be seen. Even my dog is little protection (wheighs one kilo), so I have to make sure I totally disable any intruder since my wife can not defend herself (or walk for that matter).
"its unlawfull to take a picture without a specific purpose"
surely the purpose would be seen as "trying to catch the little *******s in the act" lol (excuse the swearing)
Surely tami if anyone got into your house they'd be knocked out by the smoke and stuff in the air!
Why not?
the army uses smoke to deter the enemy.
In america I would probably be sued for exposing the Burglar to an unhealthy environment
I had hear of graffiti markings being used in this manner (I think it may have been in a British local paper on holiday quite a few years ago).
The whole problem is a vicious circle, the law ties the hands of law abiders (police & victims), if the criminals are caught, they don't get the punishment they deserve (the prisons are too full to allow 'sufficient' sentences, even if that was the answer), so criminals aren't afraid of the law & commit more crime, so people lose faith in the law...
One note of caution, if you intend to batter an intruder, hope that they ain't part of a large close knit family (ie the traveling community) - I believe that Tony Martin had a few death threats from the guy's extended family.
Anyone watching The Bill?
bootup05
19-07-2006, 21:56
No, why whens it on :) , I aint watched it for ages and do like it:)
Fireblade
20-07-2006, 12:07
I don't think he was asking just out of curiousity :D
I assume there was something in the epsiode he watched which was of particularly relevence to the thread subject itself...or to something discussed therein?
Gees guys your giving the Polis abit of a hard time tis not an easy job !!!
jimmyeat
15-09-2006, 11:04
Put it like this - I have a large mag-lite to hand in case the power goes out and I need to see where I'm going in the dark :)
Me too. The 4 D battery version which packs a clout but i've also got a high powered hand torch made out of aircraft aluminum and is 6volts. Much more powerful than the maglite (and cheaper.maglites are overpriced and not that good lightwise) and comes in useful...if you need to ...blind someone. :)
A Couple Of Million Candle Power Should Do The Trick!!!
Fatal1ty
26-09-2006, 15:30
We had a power cut at work the other day and out came the 4mil candle power torch. Point it at the ceiling in the middle of the restaurant and the whole place was lit up :eek: - even the kitchen!! :eek:
One question I'd like to ask, and I'm not sure of my own answer, is this:
Would we feel less inclined to defend ourselves "Vigorously" if we thought there was a near-certainty the offender would be caught and given serious prison time?
A colleague caught a young lad rifling through his shed. He was only about 13-14 and my friend said
"What the hell are you doing?" (Or words to that effect ;) )
"Nowt. You've nowt worth knicking." (Ran off)
Friend called the Police and the first question they asked was
"You didn't lay a finger on him now, did you?" :eek:
For me part of the frustration is wondering how long these B&E cretins would get for coming into my home and taking my hard-earned posessions. But, if I'm honest, I'd still want to give them a kicking. Whether it's a fear/anger response or true "Justice" is debatable.
If you ask yourself: What would I rather happen to me? What would be the lesser of two evils?
1) Being mugged but uninjured?
2) Being attacked and physically harmed, but your wallet remains intact?
The assault would trouble me more. Harm to the person is worse than harm to the flat-screen TV and shiny heirlooms. So if I were to attack and knock ten shades of Sushi out of a burglar, is that justice then? Burglary versus Assult?
For the record, I'm the same as Brumster. Mag-Lite's are remarkably well built torches and have a reassuring heft deep in the palm. :D I'd give the burglar the option of running- I'm no have-a-go-hero and have done the same when a guy tried to steal my Dad's car years ago "I phoned the Police- why not do one?" shouted out of the window!!!
However if I caught an intruder coming up the stairs and one of my nephews was asleep in the house? :mad: :mad: :mad:
Be interested to hear people's thoughts. :)
Every incident invloving assaults, robberies & Housebreakings are differnet and im sure some ppl on the forum have suffered some of these crimes. How they are investigated differs as well , the way members are the public are treated varies from officer to officer.
With regards assaults on "housebreakers" in your home you are quite entitled to restrain the person until the arrival of the police and can use reasonable force to accomplish that. If he struggles violently -assualts you well you have a go back and do whatever required to protect yourself. If you leave him like a pound of mince just make sure you have some corroboration and can justify it :) .
TBH you dont get that many housebreakers caught in properties, i should know iv investigated hundreds of them !!!
TBH you dont get that many housebreakers caught in properties, i should know iv investigated hundreds of them !!!
Unless more of us would invest in Man/Bear traps to catch some burglars.....
It's an option, you have to admit it.
chalk signs have also been used for free wi-fi hotspots btw
if someone is inside your house you can use reasonalble force (means as much as you want really just the law isn't encouraging it), as long as your preventing them from attacking you or to get them to leave, you can't attack them if there making an exit of your house
if i cought someone in my house, i would be the crap out of them, probably get carried away and kill them
i have been burgualed before, they walked right outside the front door with all our stuff, and dumped it in our pergout 105 as drove off at 10 in the morning, no one sore it lol
Hey guys, I was just wondering if you knew anyone on here who owns a second home in france and whether or not it has been burgled? If so could you let me know
Cheers :D
Hey guys, I was just wondering if you knew anyone on here who owns a second home in france and whether or not it has been burgled? If so could you let me know
Cheers :D
Do you want to ask them for the manual for the DVD player? ;) :)
ha ha ha, no!!! its for my dissitation, i need to find some people who have been burgled in france :(
how do i subscribe to this thread?
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^ Click the Thread Tools button at the top of the thread, then select 'Subscribe to this thread' ;)
All I can say is, good luck mate if that's how you spell 'dissitation'
yeah i know it is spelt wrong (spank me if you want) but i dont think it can be confused with another word so it realy does not matter :D
yeah i know it is spelt wrong (spank me if you want) but i dont think it can be confused with another word so it realy does not matter :D
When I wrote my final year project, I was marked in spelling and grammer and mine was an engineering degree.
If you can't write clearly and accurately, nobody will want to read what you have written.
Cheers,
Stephen
Precisely Jez, I'm in the process of researching my dissertation and have the sneaky feeling I'd all but be crucified if I slipped any howlers like that in!
jacobzcoool
31-10-2006, 17:29
When I wrote my final year project, I was marked in spelling and grammer and mine was an engineering degree.
I take it you didn't do that well then :p
I take it you didn't do that well then :p
Actually, I scored 70% for it and came out of university with an upper second class honours in what was widely known to be the second hardest degree taught at Strathclyde University.
Cheers,
Stephen
stop being petty. i was in a rush. i am glad to hear you did well in your dissertation. my freind does mechanical engineering and that is probably one of the hardest. My girlfriend does architecture so i know the demands of such courses, i help her alot with building elevations etc. Did u do a Bsc or a BEng?
oh and you cant talk anyway, if you made mistakes in your dissertation. who cares that you do engineering, thats not an excuse for poor spelling, it is now :D
oh and you cant talk anyway, if you made mistakes in your dissertation. who cares that you do engineering, thats not an excuse for poor spelling, it is now :D
I didn't make any mistakes in my dissertation, thanks.
Stephen
I dont know how long your dissertation was, but it is highly unlikely that you got perfect spelling. Was it a BEng or Bsc? My Bro also does electrical engineering. I admit it is an interesting course,he is teaching me some when i go home on occasions. when did you do it, must of been a long time ago as you are 30 now?
jacobzcoool
31-10-2006, 20:30
Has anyone else noticed that Mr ? has so far only posted in this thread? :p
That is sad mate, that you have looked that up :p
I am new to this forum, so i have not had the chance to post in others. plus i am not intersted in most of them. :o
I see you have xfire, any good at C.S or Dawn of War, i am playing that at the mo :D
Actually, I scored 70% for it and came out of university with an upper second class honours in what was widely known to be the second hardest degree taught at Strathclyde University.
Cheers,
Stephen
Pfft, Strathclyde, the order of difficult subjects there
Advanced Welding Studies Welding studies Welding for beginers
Blooming tech :P
brumster
01-11-2006, 19:11
Cripes, where is this thread going?! The only relevance to the title is the blatant hijacking going on ;)
jacobzcoool
01-11-2006, 21:34
and you just pushed it further off topic :rolleyes:
http://www.forumspile.com/Offtopic-Bullhorn.jpg
Pfft, Strathclyde, the order of difficult subjects there
Advanced Welding Studies
Welding studies
Welding for beginers
Blooming tech :P
:D Might have been a technical college at one point, but at over 200 years old, it's a bloomin' old one :) And I still picked it over Glasgow :D :p
Cheers,
Stephen
/continuing hijack (its more entertaining ;) )
Actually, I scored 70% for it and came out of university with an upper second class honours in what was widely known to be the second hardest degree taught at Strathclyde University.
What degree was that then? I went there myself for a couple of years, great place :).
Pfft, Strathclyde, the order of difficult subjects there
Advanced Welding Studies Welding studies Welding for beginers
Blooming tech :P
I spy a bloomin Glasgow grad :P.
:D Might have been a technical college at one point, but at over 200 years old, it's a bloomin' old one :) And I still picked it over Glasgow :D :p
200 years you say? PAH says I...
I bet you instinctively knew you didn't have the pre-requisite class or smarts to suceed at Glasgow.
I spy a bloomin Glasgow grad :P.
Glasgow grad next summer all going well, and if all goes well after that, a post-grad grad :D
/continuing hijack (its more entertaining ;) )
What degree was that then? I went there myself for a couple of years, great place :).
Electronic and Electrical Engineering. Class of 1998.
200 years you say? PAH says I...
I bet you instinctively knew you didn't have the pre-requisite class or smarts to suceed at Glasgow.
Nah, I knew I'd never get a job with an engineering degree from Glasgow. I mean you only go there to do the Arts, Medicine or to be a Vet. :p
cheers,
Stephen
Nah, I knew I'd never get a job with an engineering degree from Glasgow. I mean you only go there to do the Arts, Medicine or to be a Vet. :p
Almost forgiven I 'spose. Don't be forgetting, we thrash you for history and anything that involves reading a book and well, anything that doesn't involve welding/getting your hands dirty :D
We're a dainty bunch. I hear when you graduate from Strathy you don't get a robe, but a pair of overalls instead :P
What are we arguing for, lets round on the true foe.... Cally!
Glasgow Uni; my thoughts, when visiting a friend in Glasgow was that it looked amazing. The thing is though, it had that awful look of pretentious Unis like Cambridge or Oxford; you know what I mean, posh kids with no clue and wispy scarves trailing behind them in the wind. Ugh, just the thought of it makes me shiver.....
Luckily all the 'yahs' stick to theirself out of the way of everyone else. Unless you do something like Art History in which case you're doomed to be surrounded by wispy scarves.
I love the irony of a Burglary thread being hijacked.
Mr ?, pay no mind to the bickering. It's actually OK on here- knock about a bit and you'll see we're not all so bad :)
brumster
02-11-2006, 13:50
"How to well and truly rape a thread", (c) 2006, You Lot.
:D
lol
cheers Feldmon, i am cool. By the way is that a picture of you on christmas day?
I've noticed that everyone on this forum makes such a big issue about sticking to the topic; elsewhere they often meander, and IMO they are often better for it. Obviously, though, if this aggravates the OP then I have no issue returning to the actual subject....
Why christmas day?
I think Mr ? is either the Riddler or a burglar.
Or possibly even a Ham-Burglar!
(or possibly a haggis-burglar in bonnie Scotland)
Damn!!!! how did u know, u swine!!!! now i have ti find another alias. That means to register again. hmm what to call myself?!? :D
(no slice of ham is safe, EVER!!!! I will gobble u all)
Why christmas day?
Look at his face, isn't it obvious :D
santa visited him early this year, he has been a good boy :D
lol
cheers Feldmon, i am cool. By the way is that a picture of you on christmas day?
Oi!
Last time I stick up for you, Mystery Feller! :mad: :p :D
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=marty+feldman&btnG=Search+Images
HE HE HE HE, What!!!! youlook cute... in a scary way :D :b
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