So...voting Labour in the next Election? [Archive]

slartiBardfarst

28-04-2006, 13:56

if you look back in history there is a pattern that shows up.

torries in power,
taxes pretty low, public services pretty poor,
after 1 or 2 terms, people get sick of the lies and sleeze,
labour wins power,
taxes go up making people poorer but public services get a little better,
after 1 or 2 terms people get sick of the lies and spin,
torries back in power....

and so it goes on.

new labour are the exception to this though. not only do you get appallingly high taxes, you get poor public services thrown in for free.

jesush++

28-04-2006, 14:04

They should just get rid of public services altogether, lower taxes, remove national insurance and let everyone pay for what they want. I mean, im gonna be paying into a pension, i will have dental and bupa medical (when i start my new job), why should i pay national insurance and tax to pay for scroungers!!!

jacobzcoool

28-04-2006, 17:40

I will be able to vote next election (assuming it doesn't come early), and I will vote Conservative. I want low taxes, and I don't mind about services that much as I won't use them :p
Also, I don't want Labour to sell Britain to America or the United States of Europe

jesush++

28-04-2006, 17:46

In all honesty, i dont care about us being close to America, but we def should pull out of Europe, and also, fire all the judges, they are whats wrong with this country, handing out ridiculously lenient sentances, doesnt punish them. Also, prision is like a holiday camp, games consoles, sky tv, no rent. Hard Labour, thats what they should be doing. Punishment should mean exactly that.

jacobzcoool

28-04-2006, 17:58

no rent.
rent?! How can they pay for prison if they can't work as they are locked up?!

Maybe you should add a poll:
Voting Labour and have before
Voting Labour and haven't before
Voting Conservative and have before
voting Conservative and haven't before
Voting Lib dem and have before
voting Lib dem and haven't before
Voting other
Not voting/can't vote

re-enter

28-04-2006, 18:08

Meh, Blair is a Tory! cant be arsed this year.

why should i pay national insurance and tax to pay for scroungers!!!

My thought's exactly i work with some bricklayer's who claim on the doll come on wtf? they earn 12-18 a hour.

Hard Labour, thats what they should be doing. Punishment should mean exactly that.

Yeah locked in a cell, **** food and not enough of it, in a dusty cell with a uncomfortable bed, and if they do get a day out which they shouldn't it should envolve them all being chained together DIGGING! with guards allowed to shoot if they stop.

& Life should mean life not a couple year's, all murderer's should be locked up for life and rapist's should be neutered (cut off) and forced to be naked in the street. and good behaviour (early release how have they been doing good behaviour if they recently killed someone)

jesush++

28-04-2006, 18:09

Yeah, thats the point, when they are "locked up" which mainly only happens in high security, they have things easy. I mean, take for instance, a prisioner in perth max security prision was suing the Scottish Executive for his dream cast getting broke, another was suing for his burberry shirt getting lost. If thats all they have to worry about....

Also, scrounging *******s, ive worked hard to get my degree, i have a job, but i still cant afford a nice flat, whereas scrounging *******s who live off benefits have everything paid for them. The country is ****ing nuts.

re-enter

28-04-2006, 18:18

Also, scrounging *******s, ive worked hard to get my degree, i have a job, but i still cant afford a nice flat, whereas scrounging *******s who live off benefits have everything paid for them. The country is ****ing nuts.

Yep know a few of them especially 15-16 year old chavy teen's who are pregnant :eek:, they still go around with nice nikey's and always shopping in town, some even have free sky.

TriggerHappy

28-04-2006, 18:23

Jesush and re- enter, I couldnt agree more with the statements. The prisons these days are more comfortable that than some peoples homes. Lot safer too.

jesush++

28-04-2006, 18:33

Thats the reason there is so much scum about, coz its easier to be scum than to try and better yourself. You get so much free stuff when ur a loser waster, and you dont even have to try. I personally know i could never live like that.

Take this article from a local paper for example.

I HAVE been reading in the Tele, and other newspapers, about the ongoing drug problem, not just in Scotland, but the whole of Britain and the Government’s “so-called” solutions. I am a drug addict and have been for the last 10 years or so. I support my habit through my benefits and also rely on my friends.

I am not a thief and don’t go shoplifting to fund my habit.

As most addicts do, I went to my GP for help and he referred me to Tayside Drug Problems Services, so I can be put on a methadone programme to wean me off heroin, as I really want to come off drugs.

I have been on their waiting list for almost two years and think this is a total and utter disgrace.

The Government should get its act together and shouldn’t have people waiting as long as I have.

If people got on a programme quicker, I think it would combat a lot of the country’s crime. — Concerned.

Its goin on like its not their fault they are addicted to heroin. People like that should be drowned at birth. The god-damn numptie doesnt even have a grasp of english, as its evident the "" should go around solutions.

Arc

28-04-2006, 22:34

There are some big decisions coming up that the government really need to make their minds up on, e.g. security of enegry supplies, major military contracts etc.

Tbh, Labour and the Tories are rather similar now. Just remember that the job of the party in opposition is to promise the world but when in power do they ever deliver, noooooo ;). The Tories did run this country into the ground, Labour are still sorting out their mistakes. Although Labour are making plenty of their own so we are now in a bit of a mess (still compared to most countries in the world, I know where I'd rather live ;) ).

I'd encourage everyone to vote but remember you may not get what you vote for. Hopefully in the next couple of years we will have a more modern political system with proportional representation and no house of lords.

jesush++

28-04-2006, 23:00

Definatly, its really bad, that in theory, it can get as low as only 34% of the people are represented.

bob_monkhouse

29-04-2006, 08:36

They should just get rid of public services altogether, lower taxes, remove national insurance and let everyone pay for what they want.

I think the tories promise the nearest to this - they are the only ones willing to consider a "flat tax".

Research by a Government Institute (I think the Smith Institute) looked at flat tax and its success in Germany. The idea is that, instead of a tiered tax system, we should have one rate of tax where people pay, say 15% on anythin over £15k. One argument is that this creates a fairer tax system, so the rich has less inclination to "bury" their assets to avoid paying the current "super tax".

I personally am for this. As a solicitor, I am likely to earn a reasonable wage in the future. I agree that I am in a fortunate position, as I have my health etc - I am not therefore saying we should abolish benefits or anything similar.

However, I dont see why I should have to pay a greater proportion of my income in tax than e.g. a road sweeper. Why should high earners pay 40% on their top earnings when he pays just 10%?

Seems fairer to me to make everyone pay the same proportion. This would still mean that the high earners pay more, as 15% flat tax on £300 weekly wage is more than 15% of £150 etc. Also, the people with higher earnings are likely to buy more expenisve goods, which in turn means they pay more VAT.

If you ask me, we need to start rewarding those who work hard and are honest...

jacobzcoool

29-04-2006, 10:16

Exactly.

As I am not yet 18 so I can't vote, why should I pay VAT? I can't have a say in how the Government spends it, so why should I pay?!
I could get hardware so cheaply if I didn't have to pay VAT :(

jesush++

29-04-2006, 14:52

bob_monkhouse you have hit the nail on the head. Its ridiculous that those who are trying their hardest are being robbed blind by tax.

DarkEntity

30-04-2006, 17:24

jacobzcoool

30-04-2006, 17:28

Why should anyone pay VAT?
I agree with that :D
Just tax the businesses

DT1

30-04-2006, 17:47

I agree with that :D
Just tax the businesses

So the scenario goes:

GOVT: The people don't like VAT so we'll drop it.
PEOPLE: HURRAY!
BUSINESS: OK! Since VAT has gone we can knock 5% off our prices and people will still think that they are getting a bargain.
PEOPLE: Hang on VAT was 17.5%, why have prices only gone down by 5%?
GOVT: Mind you we'll still need to generate tax so we'll just get businesses to make up the shortfall in VAT, say 17.5%?
BUSINESS: Bugger, we better increase our prices by 17.5% to allow for this extra tax.
PEOPLE: Damn, we're paying more now than we were before VAT was dropped.

Doesn't matter what you call it, businesses don't pay tax, consumers ultimately pay all taxes.

slartiBardfarst

30-04-2006, 21:11

you have to remember DT1 that 15 year olds don't know a thing about economics.
the fact that they are here in the first place indicates that their families well off enough to afford to run the sort of pc's in their sig's. that gives them the luxury of ignorance when it comes to how things work.

jesush++

30-04-2006, 21:17

Yeah, its obvious why tax is there, but if people have their own health, dental etc, they should be able to opt out of national insurance, given that they prove they have dental health etc.

The benefits scammers is what gets me. Why should i work hard to pay tax to pay for people to sit on their arses all day.

jacobzcoool

01-05-2006, 11:12

re-enter

12-05-2006, 18:29

Well i tried to vote BNP but no where had a poll for them. (And no i'm not racist i have friend's and family which are coloured.)

ArTizan

12-05-2006, 21:32

Is the bnp being racist just media ******** or is there actual proof behind it?

Their leaflets sound quite promising :)

slartiBardfarst

12-05-2006, 21:47

yes, they are racist. there are tapes and recording of many high members behaving in what anyone with brains can see is a racist manner.

it doesn't mean people voting for them are racially motivated (most people do it as a protest vote) but bnp leaders are racist.

Koolpc

12-05-2006, 21:53

Well, there are too many taxes in this country. Plus paying for things like a TV licence is pathetic. Why don't the BBC advertise like everyone else? This is probably the worst country to live in when it comes to bills and taxes etc. Plus we are being over-run by immigrants etc. The good old 'British Isles' has gone forever!!

SoapSud

12-05-2006, 22:05

What I dont get is that people say: "Oh yeah, im not going to vote labour, they look in bad shape", but yet there probebly going to be entering there third term shortly!

Koolpc

12-05-2006, 22:17

If the BNP weren't so racist i would vote for them!

jesush++

13-05-2006, 12:26

Screw the racism, I am voting for the BNP, someone needs to stand up to all these foreign scroungers and asylum seekers.

SiLvEr_SnAkE

13-05-2006, 16:08

I'm backing the BNP as per usual.

[M]uuhh

23-06-2006, 18:12

Torys are worse than labour imo, play up in parliament trying to catch Blair out and make big argument bout things that don’t really matter so it makes him look good, I don’t like labour that much but id rather have them than any other of the fools, its strange how the other parties not in power are so quick to judge and say they would do better, but when they where in power, they didnt do so well either. All the stuff you hear in the News about labour is also stupid, its just spin by the tabloid imo. They want us to live in fear and hate the current government as it sells more copies of their news.

Tami

24-06-2006, 10:52

What a bunch of WHINERS!
Having come from the US where I not only worked my ass off I am a Viet Nam veteran and had Excellent insurance but they screwed me around SO much when my wife became disabled that we lost EVERYTHING!
Thank goodness my wife was born in the UK or we would be living in a box now.
The NHS alone is worth all the taxes!
Is the BNP a racist party? OF COURSE it is, you might as well vote for linching parties!

I cannot believe that living in Europe hasnt taught you some lessons, does the name Hitler ring a bell?

jacobzcoool

24-06-2006, 11:20

Does this mean Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law) has just come into place?

Tami

24-06-2006, 11:59

Actually I wasnt using it as a thread ender, I was comparing his policies to that of the BNP, Blame the immigrants first and when that doesnt fix all your problems blame someone else and anihilate them all the while feeding off the anger stirred up for no other reason than to gain power.
I am not sure labour is doing the best it could, but I do know I am a bit better off than I was under the tories and I certainly wouldnt want a BNP government, State sponsored anger is a sure way of ruining a country and the BNP dont seem to mention any other policies other than getting rid of who they blame.

Will immigrant and black Doctors be sent back and back to where?
Can you attack a black policeman with alacrity?
Who will cook the curries you are so fond of Taking out?
Will there be blood tests to see if you are all white?
If you have black friends would you discuss getting them to vote BNP?
When the blacks, asians, and others are gone do they go after the Welsh?

I have had a local BNP campaigner come to my house and try to convince me that immigrants are the root of the problems in SE England and they must go, and this is the only intelligent way to govern.
I have to question his "intelligence" as I am an immigrant, but since I am white he ignored my accent.
He did have some nice tattos though!

jacobzcoool

24-06-2006, 12:24

I agree that the BNP are essentially fascists, but the problem with democracy is who to vote for...
Labour are too left wing, and taxes are huge
Conservatives are too right wing,
If the lib dems were any further left, they would be called the communist party,
and the BNP are fascists...

Maybe everyone should vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh, and not to forget the Green Party: huge taxes, inability to go anywhere without paying 6 grand, and lack of any power stations except for wind farms

Forthy

24-06-2006, 12:31

Is the BNP a racist party? OF COURSE it is, you might as well vote for linching parties!

True. But it is also true that if you voted for Labour because their policies were to be "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" you may as well have voted for my mum's dog.

Perhaps voting BNP may be a good plan, simply on the basis that you know they won't win (due to people like yourself who will not vote for them because they are racist), but it means that as they slide up the polls, the actual government might start to realise that they need to stop making empty promises.

Tactical voting, if you will, but with a new twist to suit modern day politics.

jacobzcoool

24-06-2006, 12:35

hmmm, good idea. The only problem is if everyone does it, then we have big problems...

Forthy

24-06-2006, 22:25

Meh, it'll only be for a few years - lol :D

No, on a serious note, the BNP couldn't win an election (for want of a better way of putting it) due to the fact that they don't stand for enough seats. I, for example, couldn't vote BNP as there are no local candidates. Thus, if you do have a BNP candidate in your area, you can vote him in to power so he takes seats from Labour/Tory candidates, but be safe in the knowledge that they won't run the country.

Of course, I would prefer if we had a coalition and you just vote for the bloke that's best for looking after your interests and your area, and he is not affiliated with a 'party'. But until that happens, people need to vote a lot more aggressively to make their voices heard tbh.

Outcast

19-07-2006, 18:04

Uk independence.

Other two are a pigz ear anyway.

Entering Europe DOES NOT mean "no borders" so why have they been removed ? The argument that you can (magically) now travel instantly into europe is sh|t for all but the wealthy or un-dependent person. For example.

GO RIGHT NOW TO GERMANY, Go on ..Go RIGHT NOW.

"hang on, I gotta book a day/week off and I gotta give a fortnights notice."

you reply.

Preciseley !! There's the time it would've took to get a visa anyway. Now look at all the crap those borders have stopped.

"But we want free trade with the rest of Europe" I hear the uninformed whinge.

If you have a product to trade that they want ..

THEY WILL TRADE !!

Surprisingly it's called ....... Trade !!

England has been sold down the river by ridiculous PC numpties

Outcast

19-07-2006, 18:53

To continue. As I have now read this thread in it's entirety.

I have heard Asians say they would vote BNP if the BNP realised what it is to be an Englishman.

And I agree.

You see, there is no such thing as a pure (ala Aryan) Englishman.

England has had it's head kicked in throughout its history.

Vikings
Danes
Romans
French
Germany (via marriage)
USA (Via economy)

This is why we are supposed to be "So Stable minded"!!

Most of the LEGAL immigrants are just as peeved as us that THEY went through the correct immigration channels and are now paying taxes/working their butts off and Joe bludger crosses three/four nations to come here and bludge off this nation.

I have seen the BNP's popularity soar around Peterborugh. If they put their thinking heads on instead of their Doc Martins they would become a major political power in this country.

Forthy

20-07-2006, 04:09

Racist language removed. One more and it's an instant ban. Arguing will also incur an instant ban.

Outcast

20-07-2006, 04:59

? Racist ?

Well I'm an Austral-Asian.

didn't Realise this was Kustom Politically Correct forum

Delete Account

Nazi Moderation.

Forthy

20-07-2006, 15:33

Delete Account

Done.

Nazi moderation.

Interesting point of view for someone who uses racist language, tbh. For anyone else reading this thread, I recently arrested somebody for using the exact same racist language on the street, and CPS were more than happy to charge him. When it goes to court I have no doubt that the magistrates will find him guilty.

Racist language is unacceptable, and illegal. I will not tolerate it from fools on the streets, and I will not tolerate it here.

DarkEntity

20-07-2006, 19:19

Here Here Forthy \o/

jacobzcoool

20-07-2006, 19:32

w00 go Forthy \o/

Fatal1ty

20-07-2006, 19:42

Whats that? Another party at Forthy's house \o/ :D :D

Craig

20-07-2006, 23:37

Whats that? Another party at Forthy's house \o/ :D :D

Probably a 'lemon' party knowing Forthy....

<runs very fast>

Forthy

21-07-2006, 03:16

I have no idea what that means :D

But, if it helps, I'm still insulted by it :p

haz

21-07-2006, 03:44

1. lemon party

1. A nice little orgy involving three older, overweight men with flacid penises.
2. The most pleasureable thing you will ever see!
3.snip

"Damn, did you catch the lemon party last night?!

"Damn, the second I looked at that lemon party i got a tingley feeling inside"

" snip"
*quoted from Urban Dictionary*

There is a website, I've taken the links out because...this is a family forum >_>

But if you do so wish to go there yourself then I'm sure you'd be able to find it without too much trouble.

P.S It's .org

*hides*

Fatal1ty

21-07-2006, 12:06

@Craig - Run and don't stop. :D :D :D

Forthy

21-07-2006, 12:50

I'm glad that I had no idea, tbh.

And also amused that Craig would have such a thing at the forefront of his mind. He is obviously a regular at such functions...

Aztec

21-07-2006, 13:16

all politicians p i s s in the same pot, and are all useless lol

Craig

21-07-2006, 14:30

Damn right I know that website, I love spreading the horror of seeing it. Someone destroyed my mind with it, so I like to pollute others.

(egads * infiinity)+1

ArTizan

21-07-2006, 15:42

haha, that is awesome, tubgirl I'm familar with, that is a classic! Praise the internet!

So, who's on for a Kustom Lemon Party? Craig, you bring the spades.

shifty.ricky

22-07-2006, 16:30

I recently arrested somebody for using the exact same racist language on the street

Why was someone walking round the street shouting "Nazi Moderation?"

Forthy

22-07-2006, 16:37

Unsurprisingly, I was refering to the racist language that I had to remove from the post.

TheDean

25-07-2006, 00:06

I certainly will not be voting Labour - Under Cameron the Tories are looking much sharper and youthful - Blair is just tired and he still cant work out why Prezza is deputy - How on earth did he manage it??!! :mad:

chewy

31-08-2006, 15:46

UK politics will always remain right of centre unfortunately. It suits politicians and business that we have immigration because it provides a scapegoat for them. Racist political parties always get more votes during an economic slump (which we would be in if it weren't for the housing market). On the whole businesses have been in favourite of an open European market because they can obtain cheap labour and

For the record the current Labour party aren't by any definition left-wing. They have offered one real left-wing policy which is the minimum wage, otherwise it is the same as I remember the Tories doing. If Labour weren't right of centre do you honestly believe George Bush would have counted so much on our prime minister?

Anybody who votes BNP is a traitor because this country fought against facism during WW2, and voting BNP is letting facism through the back door. The BNP will always be a racist organisation no matter how much they try to clean up their image because their grassroots are thugs.

jimmyeat

31-08-2006, 16:04

The BNP haven't got a clue about the real world. They are limited. Most BNP members have ulterior motives anyway.
Dont get me wrong nothing wrong with stopping immigration (i'm a foreigner too but was born in uk) but the BNP would do physical harm to get their rocks off.

as for the current government..well thats a joke too.
i pay more road tax now.
did you know we pay about 80% in tax on fuel?
pregnant single, teens are given free housing
a neighbour i know is on the dole and now got a sound system worth 10k. got it off ebay

I've been a victim of racism. I'm asian, was born in england 29 years ago.I dont have an accent. In fact despite being from kent my accent is more south west england. Was with my white gf (a few years ago) and an old guy (about 60) was at a bus stop. we walked past to my car and he shouted "will you look at that a black bas**rd with a white girl. He said it several times, my gf went to hit him. i told her he's drunk dont worry about it..and he'll die a lonely old hermit with nobody visiting his funeral apart from his carers. that made her feel better.
did this bother me? a bit and worried me even more than the moron can't tell the difference between black and brown.

another incident i had wasnt racist, but a guy said to my gf "whats a nice girl like you doing with an ugly fella like that"
i replied for her "i have a big c**k and a nice car, what have u got?"
he didn't reply. was probably searching for his giro in his burberry :)