The FIA shows it's true colours

[TazUk]

What a surprise, Ferrari are caught using a non standard, i.e. illegal, tyre warming system and the FIA turns a blind eye :rolleyes: If it had been any other team they would be calling for their removal from the championship :mad:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33243

[Herminator]

This is a joke, I really dislike the FIA. They seem to make a mess of something every other week. They're more concerned with creating rules than running races.
Ferrari allways seem to get preferential treatment, BAR interpret a rules wording slightly different and they get a very costly two race ban and points taken away. Ferrari do it and they say it's ok :mad: Personaly I think they should get all the points since Monaco taken away (would give Jordan 1st and 2nd for the US GP :eek: lol )

The FIA really does need a huge change though, every major decision lately they seem to have got wrong. :mad:

[Narco]

f1 is falling apart. In fact, its tearing itself apart. I want to know who is going to be picking up the pieces from this.

[DarkEntity]

Great if F1 dies maybe we will get some decent rascing on TV to replace it...

Touring Cars, Rallying, Moto Cross, ooooo!
Japanese Touring cars....god the list is endless...right BIN F1, get good racing back....

PS


the news report states in plain english that "As a result, the FIA is believed to be satisfied that the devices do not contravene Article 75F of Formula 1’s Sporting Regulations, which stipulates that, “The only permitted type of tyre heating devices are blankets which use resistive heating elements.”

so they are not illegal. may be different but seems not illegal. ne way like i care.....mon F1 DIE

[Herminator]

The problem is the rules clearly state "blankets" but Ferrari are using boxes to create what basicly amounts to an oven (according to the other teams), which is specificly against the rules.

The FIA and Ferrari are always on the same side it seems, often against the spirit of sport.

[DarkEntity]

i think the point is Ferrari like its drivers Push the envelope where everyone else is happy to ride on its back...Ferrari used the new warmer, FIA are happy, too bad everyone else!

now i bet all the moaning whinging little faggots wont use the same technology if the FIA says on u go to Ferrari, yer right, they will have them aswell as soon as they can..

people always whinge at others who push things, and arent happy to sit on whats avail..

if the FIA had said, no ur breaking rules Ferrari would try somet else...and why the hell not.

[iggy]

eh? the point is when other teams pull the same **** as ferrari, they get penalised heavily, whereas ferrari get away with it every single time.

they arent 'pushing the envelope' they are cheating

[DarkEntity]

its not cheating unless the FIA say so.....and so far they say NOT Cheating

[iggy]

well thats the bloody point isnt it, if it was any other team it would be cheating.

[Narco]

“The only permitted type of tyre heating devices are blankets which use resistive heating elements.”
are blankets
ARE BLANKETS!!!
since when was a metal box a blanket!?!
thats more than a misunderstanding of the wording of the rules (which u may remember BAR got hammered for)

i don;t trust the FIA, how can you?

[DarkEntity]

well thats the bloody point isnt it, if it was any other team it would be cheating.

Yer im sure, they went "God thats illegal, but o never mind its Ferrari"
dont be ridiculous.

everyone has a biased opinion if its not their team, fan base or whatever getting benefit of the doubt.

[Narco]

ferrari man darkentity? :p
how you say that the FIAs decision does not amount to cheating?
ferrari broke the writen rules (a metal box is not a blanket) and the FIA let them. ok now they have to let every1 do this, but its still against the rules as they are set out.
just look at the BAR weight business. a misinterpretion of the rules, which the race officials approved. but the FIA say no too. Now, ok fair enough. It was a strict enforcement of the rules. But at least it followed the rules. this time the FIA has broken the rules for ferrari.
I;m not saying that the FIA actively helps ferrari, but the FIA needs to be consistant.

[TazUk]

Yer im sure, they went "God thats illegal, but o never mind its Ferrari"

Yep that's exactly what they have appeared to have done :rolleyes: Which is no surprise really as Ferrari are the only team to have not signed up for this breakaway championship and have signed up with the FIA/Bernie Eclestone. If you think this hasn't influenced their decision then I'm afraid your sadly deluded.

To be precise Ferrari did sign up for the breakaway championship but managed to broker a better deal with Bernie, so jumped ship.

[Herminator]

Other teams always push the envelope and more often than not they're told to stop using whatever they develop.
BAR had a torque transfer system for the front wheels (last year I think) and although it did not techincly break any rules the FIA said it was illegal because it had an effect on braking or something like that, which could be considered against the rules.

[colweb]

Darkentity does appear to be a bit of a ferrari fan IMO. No offence :)

The FIA and Ferrari have always danced hand in hand with things, this has happened time and time again. I bet you if it had been Ferrari with the fuel tank issue that BAR recently had then it would have "Fallen within the rules", as it was BAR they get a 2 race ban.

Another indicator of FIA and Ferrari's love for each other. Ferrari WAS part of the break-away championship right up till the point where FIA/Berny offered them more money (70 million or something) and would you look at that Ferrari is following FIA again. Where is the offer of more money for the other teams?

This goes to prove F1 will die and we will watch the proper racing with the break-away championship in 2007.

I think the arguement from the FIA + Berny will be that there is no F1 without Ferrari, in my opinion as an F1 fan - I would prefer it without to be honest. Get Schumi driving for BMW's new team and he can prove himself (again) in a re-skinned Sauber.

Just my 2 pence :)


Latest thing is Ferrari have negotiated their new terms with Berny. They have managed to get a complete veto in there so they can block any motion they want all by themselves. Doesnt sound like much of a democratic system to me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4365363.stm



and how cool would this be
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=The_Mole&PO_ID=33238
heheheh... oh crap maybe I should be working or something... hope no-ones looking at the proxy logs...

[tremble]

Will certainly be interesting to see what actions FIA take regarding the USA Grand Prix. Thei disaplinary hearing takes place today and the 7 teams who refused to race could face anything from slapped knuckles to a lifetime ban.

Any points penalties would damage the championship ambitions of Renault and McLaren, as well as Williams and Toyota in joint fourth place, and improve those of Ferrari, who have had a poor start to the season.

[Herminator]

Darkentity does appear to be a bit of a ferrari fan IMO. No offence :)



and how cool would this be
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=The_Mole&PO_ID=33238
heheheh... oh crap maybe I should be working or something... hope no-ones looking at the proxy logs...


I read that the other day, I would love to see it happen :p I hope ITV show the rebel race, rather than the F***ing Ferrari and FIA French GP ;)

Apparently Stoddart has said things aren't looking good in todays meeting with the FIA :( Team bosses will have a meeting in a hotel around the corner at 5pm, of course Ferrari won't be there :rolleyes:

[colweb]

Interesting read if youve not seen already -

http://www.minardi.it/press/dettaglio.asp?IDComunicato=1875&LN=UK&IDGara=&IDComunicatiTipo=

Good to see what really happened. I love Paul Stoddart he tells it how it is, just like me on most days.

I wait with baited breath for what happens after todays meeting.

[DarkEntity]

im not a Ferrari fan, or tbh an F1 fan much anymore..its boring crap, dull and usually rather tedious..

i do though admire Ferrari, lets face it they are the only team in F1 with any combined knowledge of building their own car and their own engine, everyone else one team does car and someone else does the engine....

[Herminator]

i do though admire Ferrari, lets face it they are the only team in F1 with any combined knowledge of building their own car and their own engine, everyone else one team does car and someone else does the engine....

What about Renault and Toyota then? :rolleyes:

[DarkEntity]

What about Renault and Toyota then? :rolleyes:

i was under the impression that it was williams renault?

that being 2 separate entities....

dunno who toyota are partnered with.

[TazUk]

i was under the impression that it was williams renault?

About 10 years ago it was :D Williams engine supplier is BMW, although how much longer remains to be seen. Renault make their own chassis now.

dunno who toyota are partnered with.

Noone, Toyota make the chassis and engine.

[DarkEntity]

shows u how much attention i pay of late other than to the odd race

[TazUk]

I exagerated a little, it was 1997 when Williams last ran with a Renault engine. In 1998/1999 they had Mecachrome/Supertec engines and then BMW from 2000 onwards.

[conan]

I think the Paul Stoddard article was very well and fairly written. Obviously he has a problem with Mosley, but maybe thats the same problem a lot of the other teams have too. The USA farce really does add more fuel for the breakaway group.