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HI all,
I am running a Xp1800 with a cool master fan and heat sink im getting idle temp reading of 54C and under load around 59 its been up to 70C under 100% cpu load on a test using SANDRA Software
Can you guys tell me is this normal i have two case fans aswell running on the neon light case.
Mobo im using is a GA 7VRX Giga Byte VIA KT 333 AGP set the mobo health checker is reading these temps the cpu isnt overclocked either
Regards
[ 24 July 2002: Message edited by: ALI4343 ]
grrrpoop
24-07-2002, 04:00
I've got an XP1800 with a Taisol 760 heatsink (stock fan) and right now it's idling at 42, and last time I played a game it went up to 49, haven't seen it go past 50 since I got my CM 201 case :D
Even at 70 degrees, your CPU is still technically not in any danger, so don't worry - and I doubt it ever gets as stressed as the Sandra test made it right? However, ideally you want to keep it below 60, and I'm sure you want it as low as possible.
So, reasons for excessive temp..
Did you install the heatsink using the nasty little square pad that was already on the bottom, or did you use some decent thermal compound? (Arctic Silver, etc)
Are you using a shim? Is the heatsink seated correctly and did u ensure a perfectly even distribution of thermal paste if that's what u used?
Do you have one case fan as an intake and another as an exhaust? What gets sucked in should equal what's blown out, and vice versa.
There'll be other more experienced ppl who can suggest more things, but there's some food for thought :)
The case fans i have one is sucking air in @ the front and other is blowing it out at the back as for the compound i didnt use any thing liek that its a coolmaster heat sink and fan the standard one do you think im best to get a better CPU fan and Heat Sink its only once gone up to 65C most of the time it sits at 56- 59 will this shorten the life of the processor?
cheers
ALI4343:
your temps are a little high... through MOBO readings or softare readings can be a little inaccurate...
try touching the heatsink during usage and it should have a little warm/hot touch to it - if not, then its inaccurate...
as for the setup - i have a xp1800 and a Coolermaster Heatpipe with a YStech 25mm fan - i get idle temps around 40, load temps of 45-46...
some coolermaster heatsinks are not very efficient, especially (forgotten the models) the silver/aluminium looking ones - the better Coolermaster ones are the copper heatsinks - the heatpipe ones... they do not come with any thermal pads/paste pre-installed.. its best to use AS III...
go for the heatpipe - it works, and the clip is so much easier... the stock fan is a little loud - you can downgrade to a 25mm fan and lose 2-3C... but the temps should be better..
25mm fan, the fans on VGA cards are bigger than that!!
Also the heatpipe heatsinks do not work properly unless used horizontally, this is because it relies on the evaporated coolant to rise to the top of the heatpipe, but in modern cases where it will be used vertically the coolant just stays where it is.
to kynoch:
25mm referring to the thickness of the fan - be it 60/80/120mm x 60/80/120mm x 25mm... i thought it would be pretty obvious???
as for the ongoing debatable (and subjective) view towards heatpipes... and especially the Coolermaster Heatpipe heatsink... yes, the concept of horizontal operation is correct, but i (and many others) was one who decided to test this concept in practice... and it has worked for me; with the larger 60x60x38mm fan employed, i can idle temps at 35C, and load at 39C which is fully reasonable...
with an additional blowhole on (i have a YY cube, and most cube owners know what the 120mm blowhole above the cooler can do) i can idle at 26C and load at 29... ok, these temps are a credit to the blowhole, but the non-blowhole assited temps are very reasonable.
in addition, Coolermaster would not have released a P4 compatible heatpipe heatsink, if the critics were really out to slate them.... i have read a few review sites, and many have, in theory demolished the idea of cooling success, but after practice have praised the idea...
there is a particular UK overclocking site that has done a round-up of coolers, and praised the Coolermaster Heatpipe amongst coolers like the Alpha 8145, Swiftech, etc...
Something need to be tried...
grrrpoop
25-07-2002, 01:17
ALI4343: The temps may shorten the lifespan of your chip, but probably not so you'd actually notice! Say it'll last 15 years instead of 20 or something along those lines. Your average temp is nothing to worry about, but for piece of mind you should get a better heatsink.
You don't need to spend a lot to get better cooling - my Taisol 760 was only around £17 and it's perfectly adequate. If you want to overclock a little more seriously then you can mod the Taisol (or most other heatsinks too) with an 80mm fan. In either case, it's cheap and it's a solid performer.
Thermal compounds are a must-have item. Try looking for Arctic Silver II as it should be cheaper than the newer Arctic Silver III and Arctic Alumina (you'll not notice any difference between these 3 other than price!). ASII / III will get you at least a coupla degrees cooler, even with your existing heatsink I would imagine!
If you're keeping it below 60 degrees then don't worry at all. Try removing your heatsink, cleaning the gunk off the bottom, and applying some Arctic Silver (or whatever thermal compound you get) to the CPU core before re-attaching the heatsink.
Also, if there's not a shim between the CPU and heatsink it would be worthwhile buying one. Increases peace of mind when re-attaching heatsinks, reduces the chance of crushing your CPU core.
Doing the above will almost certainly get your temps down a little. If they're not low enough after that, invest in a better heatsink such as the Taisol CGK760092. It's also pretty quiet. You can spend a little more on a "better" heatsink, but they usually have noisier fans ;)
When you get below 50 degrees idle you should be perfectly happy - bear in mind that machines by companies such as Tiny and Mesh often have poor ventilation / heatsinks and run at 60 degrees all the time :eek:
At the mo mine's at 39 :D
M Y F Li
My mistake, its what i get for reading things after a hard day at work!
to kynoch,
no problem mate - a lot of people have doubts about Coolermaster and their heatsinks - brilliant cases, but the coolers are something to think about - nearly all of their heatsinks are sub-standard and generally are the OEMs shipped with retail PCs... like Mesh/Tiny...
however, their recent products, i.e. the SoA and P4 heatpipe coolers are a new marvel... one to check out... i was going to adapt another heatpipe for my P4 system, but decided the Zalman is a beauty and went for it. but i do have a Heatpipe in my Athlon system...
Thanks for the info guys ill geta better heat sink and maybe a cpu fan aswell can you point me in the right direction do kustoms pc's sell these i havnt seen the Taisol 760.
My system is a brand new system built only a few weeks ago didnt need a compound as it already had some on the heat sink i dont know which coolmaster im using i think its the standard one as it makes quite a noise.
M Y F Li i touched the heat sink and its not hot at all just a alittle warm so i think its really shud be reading 45C instead of 56C is there another way i could get a exact reading for the cpu temp
[ 25 July 2002: Message edited by: ALI4343 ]
Spacerider
29-07-2002, 23:46
Heat Sinks (http://www.overclockers.co.uk)
Try these guys....
:)
Spacerider
Graeme*Kustom*
30-07-2002, 00:35
*cough* we sell CPU coolers too you know?
And we're nicer people than ocuk ;)
]latigid[
30-07-2002, 01:29
*cough* ocuk *ahem* rip off *ahem* *cough*
Whats the difference between the two zalmans the all copper one and the sliver on
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Other_CPU_and_System_Coolers_18.h tml
Also i know kutoms sell them aswell its not that much dear £3 quid more as most places dont have these in stock or theres a waiting time kutoms are also very fast in getting the goods to you i order my case from them a while back.
The silver looking one is made of Aluminium and copper, the all copper one is much better in performance IMO, also the aluminium/copper one which Kustom sell is for P4s, the all copper one is for AMDs.
Okay mate thanks for that,
Another Question
Arctic Silver 3 or ARCTIC ALUMINA Which is better to use with a XP1800 cpu? Im not sure of the zalman cooler comes with compound already on it
It doesnt come with compound on it, but it comes with some in a tube for you to apply yourself, unless you want to use another type.(if this is the case i would recommend Arctic SIlver 3)
hi,
I already have the standard coolmaster fan and heatsink on will it come off with ease? the system was only built a few weeks ago
Thanks
Yeh it should do, if anything the heat transfer compound may just give a little resistance when pulling the sink off, but away around this is to twist it or slide it befor epulling away from the socket. (after you have unclipped it of course) :D
Graeme*Kustom*
30-07-2002, 21:52
remeber ocuk charge wayyyyyy more postage than us !!!
]latigid[
30-07-2002, 22:03
hehe
Dont worry mate ill be ordering the zalman off you guys just let me know that u have them in stock
:)
Graeme*Kustom*
30-07-2002, 23:48
we have all the zalmans shown on the site just now
ALI4343 :
Are those temps you posted from the cpu socket sensor,or does your m/board read them from the XP's diode?
I emailed AMD a while ago about this.The response I received is that if your temps are taken from the cpu socket sensor,then add 15-20c to get the actual core's temp.
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