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i was absolutely discusted when i read the news of the worl sport page and found out that gerrard and rooney were possibly moving to chelsea and man.u. Who thinks that they are making a mistake if they join the respectable clubs
If Everton can get the £50m supposedly offered by Chelski, then they should take it and buy 5 or 6 other world class players. Rooney was only a substitute for half of the year for them.
On the other hand, Liverpool would be fools to sell Gerrard at any price, he was their best player by a mile last season.
If Everton can get the £50m supposedly offered by Chelski, then they should take it and buy 5 or 6 other world class players. Rooney was only a substitute for half of the year for them.
On the other hand, Liverpool would be fools to sell Gerrard at any price, he was their best player by a mile last season.
i totally agree with the liverpool one, i think that he will stay until his contract is about run out then he is gonna be off no one can refuse that much money £135,000 a week :eek:
i hope he dont leave we need some footballers that aren't in it for the money :p
fantasticdan
04-07-2004, 22:21
Being a liverpool fan, this is a bit of a sore point. I don't want gerard to leave as he is an top class player, however his contract runs out in 4 years, when he is 27/28. I'd prefer to see him sold that for him to go on a free transfer.
i would much rather he stayed and chelski went and hassled someone else, i mean we all know that gerrard is the best english midfielder in the premiership but cant chelsea learn that they cant just hand out mass amountts of money to get the players they want they are ruining our game
If Everton can get the £50m supposedly offered by Chelski
You have got to be f***ing joking me !!! Wayne Roonie is the most overhyped played EVER , calling him the next pele ...... get a grip.....hes fat aswell :p
I've heard Rooney is rejecting Evertons contract offers as he is looking for a move to Man Utd. Now as a United fan I like to see players that want to play for the club, but there is no way on earth he is worth £50 million. I think even £25 million would be a tad on the large size for a transfer fee. I would much rather see us sign Steven Gerrard.
Overall, Everton would do well to shift him now, if Chelski want to pay £50 million. Everton would never get that money for him again. You only have to look at Owen (maybe even Ferdinand), for a person whoose valuation soared after a major tournament but is now much lower.
I would much rather see us sign Steven Gerrard.
no offense but can you actually see steven gerrard a full blown scouser going over to the dark side that is man.u :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
NAH! :p
i also agree with vegnagun....rooney is being overhyped about......yes he did do very well and yes he did set the tournament alight with his performances, but lets face it he had a pretty pi** poor season with everton, maybe it was because he doesnt have the quality with him that he has in england maybe because he is one of those players that plays better for country other than club :confused:
whatever though he aint worth £50 thats the media again making things well out of proportion
You have got to be f***ing joking me !!! Wayne Roonie is the most overhyped played EVER , calling him the next pele ...... get a grip.....hes fat aswell :p
This is demonstrably untrue. You only need to look within the same England team to find an example of a player who has been hyped so far out of proportion to his talent that it makes the hoohah surrounding Rooney look cool and considered. Try David Beckham. A good player granted but a great one? Ha ha ha ha ha. When he was at Man U he wasn't even their best English player let alone being their best player overall (step forward Scholes, Ferdinand, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Keane, I think that will do).
If you had actually listened nobody called Rooney the next Pele. Well, perhaps the Sun did but surely that doesn't count as they manage to published 40 or 50 pages of guff on a daily basis. Eriksson certainly didn't compare Rooney to Pele. I believe Eriksson was asked: 'Can you remember a young player having such an impact on a major tournament?'. His reply was 'Not since Pele in 1958'. This *DOES NOT* make a comparison between the two players. If I stood atop Ben Nevis and was asked 'Can you remember climbing a mountain as high as this?' to which I replied 'Not since I climbed Mount Everest in 1995' I would not be implying that Ben Nevis is in fact the World's highest mountain, would I?
Despite all that, I believe Rooney has the talent to be England's greatest ever player. Wait and see ...
I also belive the commintators also said rooney was the next pele countless times.
Rooney is no where near pele or maradonna or half of the other countries who HAVE a chance of winning tournaments.
Im not turning this into another England Vs Scotland but just because an English player does well in on tournament they become the greatest player in the world.
If Totti scored 12 goals in Euro 2004 i bet he wouldnt even have been called one of the best players around in england !
You seem to assume I'm English! Well, you're half right, the other half being Welsh. I'm still not sure who I will be supporting come the World Cup qualifiers.
You said 'Rooney is the most overhyped player ever' - simply untrue. I agree that the hype has been ridiculous but there have been plenty of worse examples.
The whole 'Rooney is the new Pele' gets to the heart of one of my real pet hates. It goes something like this: Player A makes statement B. English tabloid newspaper runs screaming headline saying 'Player A makes statement Z', of course statement Z in no way logically follows from statement B. Eriksson was presented with an opportunity to make a fool of himself, he side-stepped it pretty effectively but the press ran the story they wanted anyway. The only way players and managers can avoid being misrepresented is to become mute hermits. While all the tabloids are as bad as each other I have a particular dislike for the Sun - to the extent that I won't allow it in the house.
Roman Ambramovich makes me laugh, he comes walzzing in to the English game flashing his cash. He thinks he can buy anyone in the world(nearly, but not quite).
What Mr Abramovich doesn't seem to be able to understand is that this about more than money, it is about passion, pride and loyalty. Gerrard is a Liverpool player through and through and will be for the forseeable future.
Wake up Mr Abramovich, or better yet, f**k off and play with someone else's football league.
Roman Ambramovich makes me laugh, he comes walzzing in to the English game flashing his cash. He thinks he can buy anyone in the world(nearly, but not quite).
What Mr Abramovich doesn't seem to be able to understand is that this about more than money, it is about passion, pride and loyalty. Gerrard is a Liverpool player through and through and will be for the forseeable future.
Wake up Mr Abramovich, or better yet, f**k off and play with someone else's football league.
Well said that man! And I'm a Chelsea fan ...
It's quite possible this will be the year that it all goes wrong for Chelsea. Last year the press were in our favour but that was purely because everyone was supporting Ranieri, with him sadly departed the knives will be out.
I'm glad Abramovich came along because he saved Chelsea from the nightmare Leeds are having (what fan wouldn't want that for their club?) but I'm increasingly worried it will all end in tears.
Agree that Abramovich was a good thing for Chelsea, where would they be otherswise :confused:
I disagree with the way they cheated Ranieri, I bet Kenyon got a lot of pressure from Abramovich to sack Ranieri of course he has to in a sense agree with what he says most of the time or bye bye money.
I think Ranieri had a good season, people have to remember that the squad was brand new, theyt had never played together before. No matter how many world class players you have in a side, they still have to be able to work as a team. I think Ranieri should of been allowed to manage next season, that would be a real test because then they can expect to win trophies.
LoneWolf
06-07-2004, 17:16
Roman Abramovich is single handedly demolishing the transfer market! To describe his crusade to ram Chelsea down the throat of every single member the footballing world throats with his child-like "more is better" tactics as anything but moronic would be naive to say the least.
I don't care if he's giving the odd Chelsea fan a dose of artificial nirvana, that doesn't change the fact that he's forcing the already depressed market into a state of hyper-inflation with these imaginary £100m+ raids and never ending player links.
I pity any English manager who is trying to climb up the ladder by trying to pull off a coup or two, I mean as soon as Chelseas name is mentioned the asking price of players just hurtles out of control. The only positive thing coming from Chelski's new found muscle will probably be the inevitable transfer of universal hate from Manchester United to Chelsea.
The Magician
14-03-2005, 23:42
If we can finish 4th and get that last Champions League spot i think Steven Gerrard will stay and give it one more season at Liverpool and see if we can do anything if not i think he will go to Chelsea or Real Madrid. Personally if he was to go i would prefer him to go to Real Madrid
Don Corleone
05-07-2005, 16:50
oh well its finally happened :(
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N149253050705-1435.htm
a sorry end to a sorry saga but thankfully its finally over, its plagued our club for too long :(
dont get me wrong, i'd rather have him than not but lets just draw a line under it and move on.
Roman Abramovich is single handedly demolishing the transfer market! To describe his crusade to ram Chelsea down the throat of every single member the footballing world throats with his child-like "more is better" tactics as anything but moronic would be naive to say the least.
I don't care if he's giving the odd Chelsea fan a dose of artificial nirvana, that doesn't change the fact that he's forcing the already depressed market into a state of hyper-inflation with these imaginary £100m+ raids and never ending player links.
I pity any English manager who is trying to climb up the ladder by trying to pull off a coup or two, I mean as soon as Chelseas name is mentioned the asking price of players just hurtles out of control. The only positive thing coming from Chelski's new found muscle will probably be the inevitable transfer of universal hate from Manchester United to Chelsea.
I agree with you LoneWolf (and I'm a Chelsea fan) but I think some good might come of this ultimately.
Couple the Chelsea story with what's going on at Man Utd and I think you have a situation where alot of people are seeing how big businesses work for the 1st time. And they don't like it.
For the 1st time ever ordinary people are complaining about a corporate takeover. I've recently read a Business Professor saying that Glazer style takeovers (saddling a profitable, debt-free company with massive debts) should be made illegal - these kind of takeovers happen all the time but nobody ever hears about them until a football club is involved.
If it takes football getting in a right mess to show people how they are being screwed over by big business then so be it.
Because people love their clubs so much this might be the thing that builds a credible anti-corporate movement in this country - the G8 leaders are reluctant to wipe out 3rd world debt not because they don' think it's a good idea but because they are terrified of upsetting the people who are making money out of the current situation. Often the people they would be upsetting are themselves - check out the corporate directorships etc. held by all the prominent American politicians.
I, personally, don't think he'll go to Chelsea- I reckon it'll be Real Madrid. Let the bidding war begin, I say. If the Champions League title and £100,000 a week aren't enough then sod him!
Let Real offer us £35m+ or around £15m and Raul for him then. Let's see what Rafa the Gaffer can buy for £35m+
I smell a rat with his agent, though. All this "Liverpool haven't come forward with an offer..." is nonsense on stilts. The Chairman/Chief Exec/Manager/Charlady have been trying to get him round the table all last season. Sad to lose a player of that quality, but it happens and it ISN'T the end of the world.
mr-white
05-07-2005, 18:06
lol im reading the start to this thread thinking why is everton getting 50m for rooney, i failed to see its 12 months out of date :o
theres no loyalty in the game, it was only a few weeks back when gerrard was saying im liverpool through and through im not leaving. as soon as someone starts flashing the cash its another story.
MW
oh well its finally happened :(
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N149253050705-1435.htm
a sorry end to a sorry saga but thankfully its finally over, its plagued our club for too long :(
dont get me wrong, i'd rather have him than not but lets just draw a line under it and move on.
that makes me very sad - i was hoping he meant it when he said he wd stay, but in all fairness he outclasses our whole team last season and i wd like to see him win some big things
Don Corleone
05-07-2005, 19:04
I, personally, don't think he'll go to Chelsea- I reckon it'll be Real Madrid. Let the bidding war begin, I say. If the Champions League title and £100,000 a week aren't enough then sod him!
Let Real offer us £35m+ or around £15m and Raul for him then. Let's see what Rafa the Gaffer can buy for £35m+
I smell a rat with his agent, though. All this "Liverpool haven't come forward with an offer..." is nonsense on stilts. The Chairman/Chief Exec/Manager/Charlady have been trying to get him round the table all last season. Sad to lose a player of that quality, but it happens and it ISN'T the end of the world.
agreed but my main concern is that now he's stated he wont be signing a new contract will it make chelsea/real think well hold on a minute should we be tabling bids in excess of 30m when we already know he's not staying, lets wait and see, this time next year will get him at half that price or less 'cos liverpool will have to sell him or risk getting little or nothing.
considering the fee paid for rooney, it would be criminal to get any less than 30m for him :(
all in all its left a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, albeit i tend to side for the club in these debacles, no one man's bigger than the club and all that :rolleyes:
fantasticdan
05-07-2005, 19:17
I don't think we will get 35 million for him. I can see more like a player or two and the 15-20 million region. Teams just don't have 35 million to throw around any more.
However if i even hear talk of raul near liverpool i will go down and deal with the lazy waster myself. He has been a plague at real madrid for 2 years and should have been punted long ago. No denying he was the best, but not anymore.
If i have prefference i'd like to see a world class central defender to company hyypia in a 5-3-2 formation with wingbacks, and he better not be spanish.
I don't really think we have to worry about the money situation either, although he wants to go, i think he still wants a good deal for the club. You don't always get thefull story but i don't think he's going to sell them short and providing he's willing to help the club get the best deal i hope he gets the same.
agreed but my main concern is that now he's stated he wont be signing a new contract will it make chelsea/real think well hold on a minute should we be tabling bids in excess of 30m when we already know he's not staying, lets wait and see, this time next year will get him at half that price or less 'cos liverpool will have to sell him or risk getting little or nothing.
Even taking into account the amount of BS Gerrard and his Agent have spewed over the past two days, I can't see them stooping that low, TBH.
Besides- we can just let him languish on the bench and let his value/playing dwindle- **** him if that were to happen. Let's see how unattractive £100k is when he's cup-tied in the Champs League and warming the bench- sounds like Rafa's already got players and cash lined up.
Even though he's one of the finest players there is, he's got more to lose than us.
A quick sale would be better for all concerned, having said that-
we get more cash-
he gets to go wherever he wants (and frankly, as a huge fans of his, I don't care where)
And now...
He's staying. Ch***t-on-a-bike, how can we trust him now?
If his heart's at Anfield then we wouldn't have had all this rigmarole.
I acknowledge it must've been a tough decision and most fans will be pleased he's staying, but he's lost a lot of respect and a lot of trust with this.
Anyone ever watch that God-awful soap on Sky called Dream Team? It's like that!!!
even though he messed us about......i think i am happy to see him stay. just hope that too many of the fans dont hold a grudge this season.
Don Corleone
06-07-2005, 13:01
i think we need the truth here - i dunno what the fook's going on :rolleyes:
its making us look like a bunch of clowns :o
He was misquoted. He said he wanted to stay in Liverpool not at Liverpool. Obviously this means he's going to Everton.
Beerbaron
06-07-2005, 13:37
Liverpool want £40million for Steven Gerrard, with Damien Duff, Joe Cole or William Gallas as a makeweight in a deal that will take him to Chelsea.
erm.....Gerrard is a good player but he aint that good!!
Or Tranmere? ;)
Except tranmere isnt in liverpool ;)
From the articles on liverpoolfc.tv IT sounds like there was a lot of confusion. Contract talks didnt start quick enough for gerrard and he thought the team didnt want him. He has said he`s gonna sign a new deal and there wont be any clauses that will allow this to happen next season :D
Its been a rollercoaster week. Start of the week i was positive he woudlnt go then yesterday I was in tears and angry that he could so easily walk away. Now I`m feeling a bit aprehensive but with time I`ll trust Stevie again. :D
Don Corleone
06-07-2005, 21:33
Except tranmere isnt in liverpool ;)
I was gonna say that but decided to let the babies have their bottle ;)
Confusion is the key word mate, i almost drove into the back of a lorry this morning when i heard on talksport that he did a 'u-turn' :eek:
I almost did a 'u-turn' on the motorway myself :o
still, its good news, now lets get back to football.
I'm gonna be in turkey for both legs of the TNS fixture, please oh please let somebody be showing it :(
lol u`ll be lucky. not even sure its gonna be on tv over here.
Don Corleone
07-07-2005, 21:52
lol u`ll be lucky. not even sure its gonna be on tv over here.
:eek: is sky not covering it :confused:
No British channels, Sky, ITV or the Beeb, are advertising it as being shown.
There's a pub near me that has obscure Scandinavian channels and they may have it on though... :confused:
I`m working the night of the first leg :(
that makes me very sad - i was hoping he meant it when he said he wd stay, but in all fairness he outclasses our whole team last season and i wd like to see him win some big things
Sorry, but that is total rubbish - Alonso & Garcia are both excellent - Garcia was my player of the season - his 2nd half against the blue nosers was the 'all time - best heart on sleeve performance by a foreigner' award winner! I think that Rafa has the ability to be the best liverpool manager ever, and yes, I know that takes one hell of a lot!
BTW, ITV2 are advertising the match today!
Woot :D
i`m working though :(
I`ll get a tape set up for it though
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