NEED SOME ADVICE ON SYSTEM

[ALI4343]

Hi all, Recently bought a great case from kustoms the neon light. I cant decide to go for a AMD or a Celeron CPU.

I was thinking of going with a AOPEN AK77 U2 333 M/B and a XP 1600 I like my systems to run quietly so i need to know if i will need a additional fan(s) other than the heat sink that comes with the CPU.

If the the AMD System requires more fans then ill be going with a celeron setup i would like someone to recommend a good M/B with a celeron 1.3 i cant seem to find a MainBoard that will take a 1.3 :(

Thanks
ALi

[Big Adam]

Any Tualatin compliant Socket 370 board will take a Celeron 1.3Ghz.

There's quite a few around including Shuttle's FV25 which forms part of the SV25 barebones system as sold by Kustom :D

Most of the big name manufacturers have Tualatin boards. Just search their websites.

Personally though, if you want value for money AND greater future upgradability, I'd invest in a solid AMD board.

Adam

[ALI4343]

Thanks for the info mate i know i was thinking AMD aswell but i dont like the idea of having a extra fan to cool id go with a AMD and a Aopen board if all it needed was just the heat sink and no extra fans

[ALI4343]

The reason i went with the 1600 XP is that im trying to save cost !! The AK77 U2 333 Aopen is a good main board that will take up to a XP2200 i think

Can you tell me will a AMD setup require additional fans?

[Kynoch]

Originally posted by Daywalker:
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<just FYI>
Old core = Palomino = .15u
New core = Thoroughbred = .13u

The thoroughbred chips have the surface mounted bits on top - just like the Thunderbird (pre-XP core) while the Pally has them mounded underneath. Also, the Pally has a square core, while the T-bred has a more rectangular core like the T-bird.
</just FYI></STRONG>

The so called surface bits are resistors and there are a couple of diodes, Just so you know for future things!
With the palamino core where they were positioned underneath it allowed you to use a copper shim and also arctic silver paste with less of a chance of shorting out the cpu!
Now that the resistors are back on top due to a change in the core, there will be an increased chance of shorting the cpu with arctic silver, and shims!

[ALI4343]

ok thanks for the info guys so basically if i wanna go for a XP 1600 + ill need atleast one case fan on Can you guys recommend what type of case fan? I already have two fans in this new case the Neon light

Can you guys tell me what is a 1700 Thoroughbred core procesor is this the Xp type or the atlon, duron?

[Kynoch]

it is xp 1700 thouroughbred is what he is referring to, if your case already has to fans fitted it will be ok for the xp! all u need to do is get a decent cooler for the cpu!

[ALI4343]

OK with a 1700 XP or 1600 if i use just this fan will that be enough ?

Zalman CPU Cooler or the Quiet PC Socket A Cooler

[ 03 July 2002: Message edited by: ALI4343 ]

[Big Adam]

Those CPU coolers are perfectly fine.

You will still need case fans, with a minimum of one high throughput exhaust as long as you have decent inlet vents. More ideally, one inlet and one outlet fan will suffice (high throughput not so essential)

You can use a fan speed controller on your stock fans to lower their noise (at expense of throughput)

However, if it is true silence you crave then you should consider swapping them out for Panaflo or Papst alternatives.

Note, that this setup will be just peachy as long as you are not looking to capture any overclocking crowns.

[ALI4343]

Hi mate these Panaflo or Papst are these the coolers? where can i get a spec on them and price

[Big Adam]

Sorry, should have been more specific.

Papst and Panaflo are brand names for fans. They look like regular case fans but the build quality is better and they are designed to be quieter.

What I was trying to say is:

1. Pick either of the CPU coolers you mentioned. The Zalman is a quiet as it gets.

2. Your case will probably have come with standard case fans installed. These are the ones you need either lower in speed (using a fan-mate type piece of kit) or swap them for identically sized quieter fans (these don't HAVE to be Panaflo or Papst. They're just my recommendation)

As you bought the case from Kustom, your best bet is to drop Graeme a line. He will know exactly what fans are in the standard neon light case and will be able to recommend the most cost effective way of meeting your needs.

You need to keep in mind that even if you silence your CPU and case fans, you may find that your power supply is too noisy!!!!

For examples of Papst and Panaflo fans, look here:

Kustom Case Cooling Page (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/product.php?subcat=15)

Adam

[The Pimp]

The Thoroughbred core Athlon's actually run as hot, if not slightly HOTTER than Palomino's even though they are built using .13u due to the smaller surface area of the core (which makes a smaller surface - to - surface cantact area to the HSF). There have been quite a few write-ups recently regarding the T'bred cooling and some coolers that keep a XP2100+ at a reasonable temp, actually run the T'Bred a fair bit higher :eek: :eek: . I don't think that any HSF manufacturer has actually released a T'Bred HSF yet though, so things may change once a specific T'Bred rated HSF is available.
So if you do decide on a T'Bred core Athlon (which will most probably be Green instead of the older brown Palomino's, although some of the more recent Palomino's are also Green)make sure that you use just the right amount of Thermal Compound to make sure that you get a good contact surface with the HSF.
Hopefully as core sizes are getting smaller & smaller, AMD may take a leaf out of Intel's book and use a metal heat spreader on top of their chips (like the P4's). This would make thermal disspation better & also alleviate the problem of cracked/chipped cores (if you are brave enough not to use a shim or are using a HSF like the Antec JetCool which has a round base).

[ 04 July 2002: Message edited by: Darren Wilson ]

[The Pimp]

This is a section of an article taken from HardOCP's test of the T'Bred CPU's


Even though AMD has touted the TBred as "smaller, cooler, faster", you might take that with a grain of salt. I have some smaller low profile Alpha server coolers that I use here in the office with low RPM fans installed. I have been using these to test AMD CPUs at stock 1.53GHz levels for a few months now. They work and are not noisy. These same coolers would not allow us to run the 1.53GHz TBreds at stock speeds and voltages without causing system errors. Amazing how decreasing the surface area of the die by 40% will do that eh?

This article is certainly not meant to be the "OCers TBred Guide". I wanted to pass along to you what information we have found out here this week. It looks as if we very much will have some new AMD Athlons to OC with TBred cores but it looks like it is not going to be as easy as it was in the past. These damn things run hot! And do keep in mind that we had the voltage pumped a little high as well so our temp numbers may be a bit inflated.

Still in order to be OCing these new TBreds you had better bring a very solid heatsink and fan to move mass amounts of air if our sample 1800+ ends up being typical of what we will be seeing in the marketplace. I would say your target is to keep your TBred at 155F or lower and it seems like lower will cost you some noise for sure.

Did I just hear the price of water cooling kits going up all over the country or was that just my imagination? Na, I must be hearing things

[The Pimp]

When you decrease the size of something by almost 40% you are going to have to do some major changes to keep temps down, regardless of wgat it is. I think the only thing I have seen so far that has actually gotten cooler as it has gotten smaller, is the BGA Memory that manufacturers are using on GF4's & high quality PC3200 DDR.