Future of DVD

[jsnemesis]

Whats next??
Whats after DVD, more storage space to be made available??

Spotted this and got was curious

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/FutureTech/futuretech030121.html

JS

[slartiBardfarst]

the committee have just made a decision and have set the next standard as HD-DVD.

these will hold 20gig single layered, single sided but is still based on red laser technology i believe. i don't know if you can have dual layers with this method.

they should have been a bit bolder and gone with blu-ray which is something like 30-35gig single layered, single sided.

[jsnemesis]

thanks for prompt reply,

yea, the blu-ray certainly sounds cool! lol
HD-DVD, i take it'll mean a whole new range of drives to add to our pc's.

JS

[slartiBardfarst]

we will end up with the same situation we have now with both dvd + and - formats, only worse.
the dvd committee will do what they like while the manufacturers will still push ahead and make what they think will sell best.

blu-ray is technologically superior and has both higher capacities and the support of something like 12 manufacturers including the big ones like sony and phillips who invented it, there is no way they are going to just drop it.

HD-DVD and blu-ray, along with all the other possible new standards will all be incompatible with each other so it could be that you will need one machine for watching purchased films and another one for recording and backing up data.

[jsnemesis]

aslong as they think of the end user before they start making things simple for themselves even if it be it suits one company, but not another.

Agreed - bluray has more potential.

JS

[[GPO]Solitaire]

on a side note

Microsoft's Media player 9 Codec is going to be required to play HD-DVD disks!!!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/35972.html

The governing body behind the DVD specification has provisionally approved the incorporation of Microsoft's Windows Media 9 technology as a "mandatory" component of HD DVD

:(:(:(

[jsnemesis]

whoever accepted that deal has never used *nix. Microsofts monopoly a step to far imo.

JS

[slartiBardfarst]

i can't wait for 20gig+ disk players with divx or xvid decoding.

25+ films at dvd quality on a single disk. :)

[jsnemesis]

oh yea, deffo on that. bout half ma hard disk is for vids/music vids are all mostly over 700mbs, so 20GB + on 1 disc..perfect, almost incomprehensible!

JS

[[GPO]Solitaire]

by the time they come out we'll all be using 1-1Tb Hard drives as standered :D :D so they'll still be to small to do a full system backup on :D

[jsnemesis]

and 64bit processors :D

[njg291075]

The reason, I believe, that the red laser was decided was because it is compatible with existing DVD technology, whereas the blu-ray technology isn't.

Would you really want to replace your entire DVD film collection ?!?

I know I wouldn't (and I've a few!!)

[jsnemesis]

Don't think anybody would want to replace their entire DVD collection just yet, but DVD was first developed in 1995, so its due for updating/advancing.

JS

[slartiBardfarst]

there is no way you will be able to play HD-DVD on current hardware so it's not totally compatible.

i also can't see a reason why current dvd disks couldn't play in blu-ray machines. you just alter the wavelength of the laser to that of current red ones. if you can't do that then have a separate red pickup the same way early dvd players had separate pickup for both cd and dvd.

[jsnemesis]

Found a pic of a bluray player and some actual discs

JS

[jsnemesis]

woooops i'll try that again

the disc

[jsnemesis]

And the player

[njg291075]

Originally posted by slartiBardfarst
there is no way you will be able to play HD-DVD on current hardware so it's not totally compatible.

i also can't see a reason why current dvd disks couldn't play in blu-ray machines. you just alter the wavelength of the laser to that of current red ones. if you can't do that then have a separate red pickup the same way early dvd players had separate pickup for both cd and dvd.

What I meant was that you'll be able to play existing DVDs on the new hardware (proposed by Toshiba & NEC) , whereas this just isn't possible with blu-ray. This URL (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/34228.html) goes into further details.

Basically, both new technologies use blue lasers but the Sony/Philips/Matsu****a & Samsung Blu-ray technology does not support playback of existing DVDs which is why the other format got the votes.

I'm having nightmares already.

How many times must the public put up with a repeat of the old VHS/Beta format wars ?!?

[slartiBardfarst]

i still can't see compatibility being that much of a problem, there will be ways round it. it isn't impossible to make blu-ray at least read current dvd's

if the worst comes to the worst and you have to have 2 separate players, then £30 for a dvd player isn't going to be a problem to most people.
the only snag is you will need 2 players for the different disks which isn't visually nice.

[Euphoria]

I don't see why they need to bring anything new out anyway. These HD-DVD will be cool as they hold a lot of movies on one single disk, but why with this bluray increase the quality. Surely not many people are going to notice the improvements. DVDs are damn good as it is! :confused: Videos... a bit crappy now!

[jsnemesis]

Yea at the moment DVD are great, but so were vidEOs (thats right, emphasise on the EO). Its inevitable. DVDs have been out for almost 10years! Where people will notice the difference or not is besides the point, its the technology people will see the difference in.

JS

[Euphoria]

I'm 20 and already not wanting stuff to change lol! Suppose your right though! DVDs are good and videos were too... will have to see what the new stuff is like. :rolleyes:

[jsnemesis]

Yea, just a matter of time!

JS

[ArTizan]

that increased quality lark is a bit of a joke though, hehe, they wont be happy unless movies are being performed live in peoples houses :rolleyes:

Basically, we'll all have to chuck our DVD's away at some point, just like videos, so the only policy is to never buy anything ever :) Then we wont be worried about better stuff with 345.1 surround sound and 5 Terrahertz platinum-ion-raduim TV's

I think one thing they should all friggen do though is put DVD's in cases, like minidiscs, so they cant get scratched, but i guess that would cost them money and reduce sales so looks like ill have to keep on watching my jumpy films ;)

[slartiBardfarst]

dvds in cases is a bad idea. it makes them very bulky. mini-disks are ok because they are a nice small size but something the size of a cd is too big for a case. it's one of the reasons dvd-ram hasn't taken off.

in the states and japan they have HDTV (high definition tv). this is a new standard that runs at 1080 lines @ 60 frames per second compared to normal US tv which is around 525 lines at 30 fps.
if you were to record HDTV onto a dvd you be able to fit around 20 - 30 minutes on before you filled the disk up so more storage is needed.

if you don't think you will be able to tell the difference between dvd and hdtv then just download some of these
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
you need a monitor running higher than 1080 pixels, a fast processor, lots of memory and windows media player 9.
the IMEX ones are the best.

[Euphoria]

I would download some of them, but it would take me ALL day to get one as I'm on 56k... :mad: :( :o So need broadband...

[garfield]

well ive d/led the scobby doo 2 vid and i have to say the quality is pretty amazing , it was juddery though which i cant understand as my pc should be plenty enough to handle it ?

[slartiBardfarst]

it's not enough. mine isn't enough when playing the coral reef video and skips a few frames in parts.

it's huge amounts of data every second that needs to be decompressed, buffered and displayed. you need loads of graphics card memory.
plus there is no real codec for this, it's just wmp9 using the brute force of the hardware to run it.

[garfield]

pretty impresive though , very crisp

[Euphoria]

Anyone fancy FTPing them to me! I think my comp is of a high enough spec to run them well.

[garfield]

well pound for pound our pcs are almost the same , your cpu will put out a touch more thats all , your ll get the same as me i expect mate , a touch of juddering , why you want an ftp will 56k not be left on over night or does it time out ? (been a long time since i had it :s ) when im rich i ll buy you bb mate ;) screw it i ll buy you t1

[Euphoria]

It times out after 2 hours :rolleyes: but isn't clever enough to resume downloads - could always get a download program... know any!? I use FlashFXP to get big files from people as it resumes no problem when the connection re-connects again.

Your a good person to get me BB but the only problem is we cant get it down my road yet (new estate), WE WILL BE GETTING IT!

[Euphoria]

Oops didnt mean to press post reply the first time round! Sorry!

[garfield]

well i used to use d/l manager that was ok you could try that , the vids are cool to watch and very good quality but i ll warn you , i think your ll be disappointed as im sure it ll run the same on yours as it did with mine and it ll take you a while to d/l it , im not sure your ll think it was worth it , just a thought

[Euphoria]

I'll leave it for now then. Will go round my mates house sometime soon and hook up to his 1mb connection. Will d/l them then along with a load of other stuff!

Cheers :)

[garfield]

sounds like a good plan to me mate

[Welly]

There will be DVD compatible blu-ray players out there, be assured. As Sony is one of the big players in the DVD market, don't think for a second they're going to out-compatiblise (I love making up new words) themselves from the DVD market.

http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/040330.html

Have a read there.. says sony and panasonic have already demonstrated dual format combined blue/red laser machines.

I personally can't wait for these machines to come out, better still readers and writers for PCs! Although I suppose I should start saving now..

I'm starting the betting at around a grand a pop!