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slartiBardfarst
30-10-2003, 21:54
yet again the post office is messing everyone around with strikes. this seems to happen every so often caused by people not liking something or other.

they don't seem to understand the having post actually delivered to people is as important as having an electricity or gas supply. its a basic service that has to be maintained. millions of people have been inconvenienced due to this. peoples business rely on having a postal service who actually do what they are supposed to.

if you don't like the amount of money you get, or you don't like the working conditions, GET A NEW JOB!!!!
you don't deserve any more cash in my eyes and just continuing with this strike will turn more and more people against you.

iggy
30-10-2003, 23:28
mebbe theyre messing everyone around cos they are tired of getting messed around themselves?


GET A NEW JOB!!!!

what a wonderfully qaint notion, i tried this when i was getting messed around at my old job. spent the last two years unemployed.

slartiBardfarst
30-10-2003, 23:46
mebbe theyre messing everyone around cos they are tired of getting messed around themselves?
i've got not time for people with that attitude. if you've got some beef with your employer, take it up with them, not your average joe just going about their normal lives.
it's costing me time and money, its costing other businesses thousands of pounds in delays to normal operations.

going back to my original analogy, if an electricity companies employees decided that they would no longer operate the equipment that delivers electricity to peoples home and offices, there would be total kayos and things would just grind to a halt. to many people the post is just THAT important. if you don't get post, you don't get work, you don't get paid.

everyone has the right to strike but i think that should be dependant of their jobs. basic public services should have some sort of fallback to make sure other people are brought in to replace the striking workers.

Forthy
30-10-2003, 23:52
Perhaps somebody should set up a competitor company?

Sinizterguy
31-10-2003, 00:26
Royal Crap ... thats all I have to say about it.

Steven McL
31-10-2003, 00:27
so thats why my dvd is taking so long to arrive :mad:

and i agree slarti , if people arent happy with their jobs they should get another one and stop being so damn selfish

abe
31-10-2003, 00:34
Originally posted by Forthy
Perhaps somebody should set up a competitor company?

There already is loads, they're called couriers. Yes they do deliver even the smallest of packages as well as the largest.

Sinizterguy
31-10-2003, 00:59
Originally posted by *abe*
There already is loads, they're called couriers. Yes they do deliver even the smallest of packages as well as the largest.


If they had a better timing for collecting stuff, it would have been ideal, even tho cost is a little higher.

I have 9-5 uni and cant really hang around waiting for them to turn up when they feel like.

Royal Mail was good in that sense cos I could send it via Special Delivery and stuff would get there.

If people dont like their jobs, then quit. I am sure there are unemployed people who would love to have the same job even with the same terms.

kessellrun
31-10-2003, 01:00
Originally posted by slartiBardfarst
everyone has the right to strike but i think that should be dependant of their jobs. basic public services should have some sort of fallback to make sure other people are brought in to replace the striking workers.




So what would be the point in striking?

The whole point of going on strike is to cause disruption ESPECIALLY in a public service provider.

Believe it or not, these guys want to make a point and force an issue because they feel agrieved about conditions in their workplace.

I'm not saying I support them, but FFS, you'd be out on strike if the roles were reversed.

Would you stand in the way of 3000 kids going on strike from a sweat shop in Taiwan? (not that those 3000 kids are likely to strike)

This is the price you pay for living in a democracy. Suck it up.

And anyway, it's not like the fire dispute, where peoples lives were at risk, jesus it's only some letters that you WILL get eventually.

Ciqala
31-10-2003, 01:04
i can understand the need for being happy in your job but i dont think that can be used as an excuse to hold the nation to ransom by taking part in industrial action where the only person it harms is joe public. i mean what good will it do? when in the last 20 years has the consumer had any kind of power in the uk over what affects our daily lives. if we did then petrol wouldnt be sky high, the nhs would be in decent shape, trains would run on time and would maybe be run so that conditions on them arent worse than those used for transporting cattle. the system doesnt work. but still these ruins of the old unions insist of striking and causing problems for the general public. even to the point where lives are put at stake (the fire strikes of the past few years). i see these people demanding more money and to be honest some of these guys are not getting the raw deal you might think. they have decent benefits, a salary that isnt anywhere near minimum wage plus job security yet they insist on punishing the public to get more and more. and the problem with this is that with all public amenities if they do get more money the only place it will come from is again the public. i dont think any company in the land would accept a cut into their profits for something like a mass pay increase. they simple increase prices and use the extra income to maintain their profit margin or in most cases increase it (if your gonna up the prices may as well add something on for yourselves why you are at it...).

in my opinion this is part of the reason that we are living in this rip off britain.

[/rant]

slartiBardfarst
31-10-2003, 01:44
glad to see i'm not allone on this one.

it is the same kind of attitude that killed off the british car industarry in the 1980's except its DIRECTLY affecting the public. "i'm not getting what i want so i'll cause all this disruption until you give it to me".

there should be a law that either prevents them (and all essential service workers) from taking strike action, or one that fills their jobs with people who actually can be bother working for a living. if they don't return to work with a set time period like say a week then they loose their jobs permently. and lets face it, it's not the most highly skilled job in the world so training new workers will be easy. hell it may even be the answer to all the immigrants entering the country.
that may be a bit over the top but they should not be allowed to do what they are doing. :mad:

as for competition, they have none. sure you can send stuff via courier but 90% of the time that is just impractical. for normal enveloped mail the only real answer is the royal mail.
if other companies were allowed to use the post box system then they would have some competition to deal with.

jesus it's only some letters that you WILL get eventually.
if you ran a business that relied on receiving letters and parcels in the post everyday in order to make a living then what right to these people have to deprive me of that.
the situation isn't quite that bad for me but i know people who this applies to.
these are basic, fundamental services that have to be maintained in order to function as a civilised country.
it's only a few people causing the trouble, it always is, the rest just follow on in the hope they will get something extra out of it and the excuse not to do any work for a few days.

Graeme*Kustom*
31-10-2003, 02:16
I actually wondered if (like the fire services strikes) , Royal Mail would draft in the Army to deliver mail !

Hmmm, your post brought to you by a chap in camaflogue driving a jeep with guns on it...?

Very unlikely, but an interesting concept.

iggy
31-10-2003, 04:14
wouldnt like to see any of them lads go postal G :/



when in the last 20 years has the consumer had any kind of power in the uk over what affects our daily lives. if we did then petrol wouldnt be sky high, the nhs would be in decent shape, trains would run on time and would maybe be run so that conditions on them arent worse than those used for transporting cattle. the system doesnt work.

your absolutely right. a good reason for raising absolute hell when we dont get what we want, like the french do.

strikes, slarti, are generally only used when the management/government are ignoring the workers demands.
slarti has been whinging about this affects him in that he gets mail late. are these guys just supposed to sit there quietly and take the shafting? or do they go 'oh this isnt fair on US?'

i also notice your missing out the 'NO JOBS IN THE UK' part. most folk cant just up and leave their jobs and go and get a new one.

Forthy
31-10-2003, 11:18
They're lucky they can strike. Some of us are legally obliged not to, whatever ****e gets thrown at us.

In fact, I'd imagine it won't be long until the fire service has a similar thing in place. Royal mail however could never be classed in the same league, so will continue to strike everytime it gets the opportunity.

My problem with the royal mail strikes is that it's us who they're disrupting, but it's not actually damaging to their bosses because we have no viable alternative and will continue to shove things in post boxes strike or no strike.

Monkey Rob
31-10-2003, 12:32
I can't believe what I'm reading.

Strikes are supposed to cause disruption, that's the point of striking. The ability to strike is one of the priviledges of living in a society such as this. You wouldn't be talking this amount of rubbish if you were being screwed over by your bosses. If it is, as you say, an Essential Service, (I personally doubt it is any more) shouldn't it be treated as important to get it's sh*t together?

I can't believe Margaret Thatcher's poison has spread so far as to still pollute the sensibilities of the people on this forum who most of the time impress me with their maturity and good heartedness. Have some respect for your fellow man for goodness sake. I don't care if you have to wait a few days to receive your books about god knows what or your sprocket for your oojit.

Although, I'll grant you it is annoying when you have to wait on something before you can get your Phat mods done, some things are more important that a shiny case aren't they?

Sinizterguy
31-10-2003, 13:01
Originally posted by iggy
i also notice your missing out the 'NO JOBS IN THE UK' part. most folk cant just up and leave their jobs and go and get a new one.

If they dont like their jobs, then quit.

Like I said before there will be enough people happy to take over the job. And its not exactly rocket science.

If they want to keep their job, then do it bloody properly. As it is, the service is irregular enough. Now they want to increase the prices too ?

OT - How much were the firemen making before they went on strike and how much did they want ?

slartiBardfarst
31-10-2003, 13:15
your missing my point Rob. this is DIRECTLY costing ME money. they have no respect for me or anyone else they are inconveniencing with this so why should they get it back in return.

it's one thing not to get your happy birthday card (or dare i say it package from kustom) on time but is quite another when it is affecting your weekly income.

i always thought the point of striking was to prove a point buy costing your employers money. think back to the car workers striking in the 80's i mentioned before. they stopped making cars so the company could not sell them. the public as a whole were not inconvenienced by this, it just cost the companies lots of money. i can only think that it's been the fire fighters and tube operators who have gone on strike with the intention of disrupting public life.

i have every reason to whine about this iggy, you would be too if it meant you only got £100 this week. i work for myself so any profit i loose means less food for me this week.

sazzy
31-10-2003, 15:06
This is a harsh subject i think that the strikes are wrong when they are effecting us the public, the people who put them there in the firstplace. (ouch im bleeding) should they wish for more why do they not go directly to their main man or woman as the case may be and be just a little more mature about it. just because the post stops doesnt mean the bills stop this is costing the nation no end! although if they are getting paid bugga all they do deserve more but surely there are more logical ways to go about this???

master baits
31-10-2003, 21:36
The money posties are on for the walk I mean work the do is im my opinion slightly better than justified , its unskilled labour.

If they want to get paid for walking about listening to tunes all day smoking dope then fine , just dont expect the fee payer to subsidise their lifestyle choice.If we allow ourselves as customers to be turpinned then we will end up like the french , a nice country to visit if it doesnt have a big notice saying "sorry we are le closed ".

Dont blame labour for this , or even the (spits on ground) tories , this is simply those that want more MONEY , its greed pure and simple at any cost.Remember the firefighters strike , most of them are but a step up from menial labour yet only work 4 days for 25k a year ,hell one day less half the expertise and double the wages and they would be politicians.The thing that worried me the most about the fire strike was the union bosses were happy to get more wages for 90 percent KNOWING that 10 percent would be laid off to pay for it , not exactly one for all union representation now is it , thats the kind of person I want fighting fires with me the one that wants more money at my employment's expense.

Alan
31-10-2003, 21:49
It's funny how the reactions on this thread would have been classed as really right wing not too many years ago.

Although I agree with much of the comment, I know some Postmen, I know some Firemen... funny how it becomes harder to slate a group of people when you know some of them and sympathise with their own personal aspirations.

Apparently management down there are handing out new contract conditions and want them to sign and, apparently, they are three month contracts. Now, I don't know about you but to me a Postman will be needed today, this year, next year, next decade so what's with three month contracts?

You try getting a mortgage or a loan and all you can provide is a three month contract with no absolute certainty of renewal!!!!!

For all the wrongness and futility of striking, I think most of us would be appalled if we could really see into management's head - and I'm certainly not a left of centre type!

master baits
31-10-2003, 23:32
I would say my comment at least is more left than right I am more socio communist , the whole idea that trade unions (the red clyde) stick with me and always will yet I would never join one now simply because they are worse than useless.I also remeber the thatcher days wher to get rid of the unions she shut the biggest employers and sold off somethings we already owned through taxations back to those wanting to get rich , namely more conservatives through the name of privatisation.I seen the suffering first hand through two families of real underpaid strikers fearful of losing their jobs which proved to be right , miners ad shipyards.

I dont sympathaise with firemen , they were being led a merry dance by their union and still are , most make more than 2x the average married couple make and still have second jobs on the off days.They where happy to jig too thinking it wont be them but another one of those that would save thier lives on the dole , real comaradery and support from ones union.

Same goes for mr postie , more and more mail is JUNKMAIL or hardcopy spam , we the customer are the ones that suffer , we pay the ever increasing dividend to post using a service which is still a monopoly despite privitisation , ultimately WE pay them to do our service hansomly and for the few hours worked walking they are more than adequetly renumerated.Maybe the should get a taste of the dole and quit whinging about their "paltry" wage paid to walk , listen to their tunes and roll a fattie.

The real people in this country that need payrises are those on the lower end of the pay scale , those on real low incomes that do the real worst jobs like those working dealing with drunken scum in hospitals that have no respect for themselves never mind others that treat them.

As a note the 3 month contract has been in force since I left school in 86 and even before this .THIS is not new not even for the post office , as is rolling contracts.There is depsite beliefs no more jobs for life , they should get to uni and get an education to get a higher paid job and let go of mummies (see customers) aprons , wots next wee electric scooters you see the kids on to deliver the mail , then its covered scooters , then its 3 day weeks , then its 12 weeks holidays.

By far the worst culprit though is the scottish government(ahem) , the first votes they took were on pay rise , holidays , and work related benefits like tax benefits and second residences.So who just is fooling whom.

abe
01-11-2003, 14:58
Originally posted by slartiBardfarst
i have every reason to whine about this iggy, you would be too if it meant you only got £100 this week. i work for myself so any profit i loose means less food for me this week.

Right, less food for you, and if they didn't strike, then it would be less and less food for the postal workers every week.

Fat Jez
01-11-2003, 15:28
Originally posted by iggy
i also notice your missing out the 'NO JOBS IN THE UK' part. most folk cant just up and leave their jobs and go and get a new one.

Yes, but unemployment has never been so low

I must admit though, that in Bristol there are plenty of places advertising for staff - people just don't seem to want to work in Tesco's stacking shelves or McDonalds frying burgers.

I don't know that I would hold the firemen up as an example of people striking for more money unnecessarily. Having been trained in fire safety for work, those guys risk their lives nearly every day to rescue people like us who are put in danger by their own stupidty (i.e. falling asleep with a lit candle in a plastic cup on top of a TV). I can understand postal workers wanting more job security, but their role is not (IMHO) particularly highly skilled (how many of us had paper rounds, and is a postman not just a grown up paper boy?).

I think there has to be some form of reality check as to how much money people can expect for the roles they are in. I work in telecomms in a well paid job. However, daily I see work getting sent overseas to places like India where the end result is jobs lost in this country. I also see foreign contractors coming in to work in my company, taking away jobs from the British. It's too easy to have call centre staff, for example, complaining they should be paid more when the easy solution is to ship them overseas. Car manufacturing is another example. After all, why employ a bunch of expensive complainers when they can send the work to countries who know they are lucky to have a job and cost the a fraction of the expense to employ - never mind that they have minimal skills and deliver sub-standard products and services? A lot of this is down to government policy, allowing immigrants into this country to do work that already has job shortages for native British people (and no, I am not a racist) and allowing our work to go overseas without making it financially unfeasible (i.e. taxing the companies for each British job that is outsourced overseas).

I can sympathise with Slarti's view about people being unhappy where they are should find another job. However, I can also under stand Iggy's perspective. There have been many times in the last few years where I have been actively seeking work, only to find there is none - unless I want to go back to working in Tesco, which I did as a student for 4 years.

I look at places like Germany, where their trains are clean and efficient, running on time, whose economies seem to be in a better state, and wonder where we went wrong in the UK.

Cheers,
Stephen

slartiBardfarst
01-11-2003, 15:41
Right, less food for you, and if they didn't strike, then it would be less and less food for the postal workers every week.
no not really. they will get a set wage each week. they are not protesting about a cut in wages, they would just like to have more, and who wouldn't. i get what i earn myself.
i see it from the point that these people are actively stopping me from earning my normal wage and that i'm afraid over rules any sympathy i have for them.

i did sympathise with the fire fighters to a point, until i heard what they were asking for as a pay increase. you can have a point to make, and there a ways of making them, but after that you just start taking the p1ss.

Tesco (who were a major customer) have already pulled out of using the royal mail to deliver they items ordered online. seems to me they have shot themselves in the foot. next they will be on strike because of job cuts caused by a fall in business.

Sinizterguy
01-11-2003, 17:21
Originally posted by slartiBardfarst
Tesco (who were a major customer) have already pulled out of using the royal mail to deliver they items ordered online. seems to me they have shot themselves in the foot. next they will be on strike because of job cuts caused by a fall in business.


Tescos now use some dumb **** couriers who cant read the ****ing addresses and deliver to their bloody grandad's or somebody's house and claim that it was delivered to me ....

And Tesco's is the most disorganised place I have ever to deal with. It's been around 7 weeks and they still cant give me a date when they can sort out my refund.

Tescos will never see a penny from me ever again ... and I am going to complain to Trading Standards about them as well...

[/sorry about the OT rant]

abe
01-11-2003, 17:26
Yes but Slarti, prices for goods continues to rise while their wage stays the same. Anyone should be able to fight for a better wage no matter how crap the job may be.

Stop moaning and support them or else there will be no postal service and you'll end up without your precious money.

master baits
01-11-2003, 22:49
Dont bother supporting them , they are paid to do a service yet the goalposts are moved by them for the majority of customers , ie no morning post , we pay for first class service yet are recieving less than second.

Any good business is governed by how its logistics are met OR ITS DIES be they the gpo , kustom or tesco , be those logistics met in house or brought in.The gpo WAS remember owned by the tax payer part of a natioanl institution, yet the taxpayer still gives them handouts and still pays over the odds for the services.

Now that the government sees the benefit (no pun) of using the digital money system the monopoly held for cashing benefits is now unrestricted (free market my derierre), yes you can still receive pensions and income support etc at the post office but it will be from any bank account not an order book.You better believe that a lot of poc(post office counter) business was gained by that , and these are privately owned so they will be feeling the pinch if they arent already taking it hard.

The poster whom mentioned germanic business , trains etc is im afraid quite wrong , Germany is built on cheap labour and has been since wwii.The western side was perhaps this way until the fall of the wall , but not now.This is why they now have the turk question and the old nastiness reappearing in blaming immigrants for the economic downturn , this is exaccerbated by the reunification and costly redvelopment of what was part of the cummunist state and was nothing more than slums.

Life is tough , especially for the small businessman.A strike by those that are already paid more than the minimum wage for less work than menial labourers is enough to bust him in hours not weeks.Its for that reason I will not support the strike mainly.

I do agree that those companies that are pushing phone stuff overseas are well out of order (much like boots) , doing this simply for the extra profit(not long term survival) reeks of short termism and these companies should recieve the same treatment from their customers.Thats why I boycott the companies that do , not for the buy british mentality but for workers solidarity.

These folks that push for strikes have never known hardship in thier lifes , the businesses they are striking against have never known hardship at the top level.Take one look at the countries the work is being sent to their quality of life is lower expected so therefore cheaper .The american dream is the cause pure and simple , its the 2 cars and 2 house mentality from the top trickling down , anyone whom chases these dreams for any other reason than to survive will ultimately have themselves to blame and point fingers elsewhere.

vote for a master debater

Sinizterguy
01-11-2003, 23:59
:eek: Wow ...

Forthy
02-11-2003, 08:23
Master Baits for pres!

Although I can't believe you wrote that yourself, as I was able to read it AND understand it in one go :p

iggy
02-11-2003, 09:46
i think thats him in uber mode or something...

master baits
02-11-2003, 17:32
Originally posted by Forthy
Master Baits for pres!

Although I can't believe you wrote that yourself, as I was able to read it AND understand it in one go :p

Im keeping the beast caged with lucozade bars these days(seen the add thats me brain) , so sometimes the rants make a bit of sense , other times thank feck we dont have the right to bear arms.Any way how many bear arms in your collection? I find them unwilling to part with them cos the have no where to put their watches.

master baits
02-11-2003, 17:36
Originally posted by iggy
i think thats him in uber mode or something...

the best cpmliment i was ever paid on my retorts and over enthusiasm was from a reporter from the herald.He said" your the only persona I know that takes 4000 words to say fxxk you".

you may know himn as tom, sheilds.

Forthy
02-11-2003, 17:42
The return to normality is so sweet. :)

cklingon1
05-11-2003, 14:43
Postie's back to work, now we have to put up with computer geeks hacking worldpay, I have sympathy with workers striking for more pay, better conditions, genuine greivances etc, I have none for bunch of f***wits with nothing better to do than to try show off at everyone elses time and expence. I dunno about "get a job" it's more like GET A LIFE.

master baits
05-11-2003, 18:11
Originally posted by cklingon1
Postie's back to work, now we have to put up with computer geeks hacking worldpay, I have sympathy with workers striking for more pay, better conditions, genuine greivances etc, I have none for bunch of f***wits with nothing better to do than to try show off at everyone elses time and expence. I dunno about "get a job" it's more like GET A LIFE.

its listed under peripherals somewhere , no drivers ready for 2k3 though.

Ciqala
06-11-2003, 10:23
just heard this morning that the firemen are about to strike again... some crews have already stopped answering non-999 calls

Sinizterguy
06-11-2003, 11:50
Originally posted by Ciqala
just heard this morning that the firemen are about to strike again... some crews have already stopped answering non-999 calls


Strike for what ? More money ?

Poogash
06-11-2003, 12:23
We're getting as bad as the French for striking! I think I'll walk out of work and demand a few more Ks a year :D

Ciqala
06-11-2003, 12:32
linkage: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/unions/story/0,12189,1077865,00.html

Kynoch
06-11-2003, 12:35
thing is though if we were too walk out of work we would get a warning and then get fired. :mad:

slartiBardfarst
06-11-2003, 13:25
you may be surprised to know after reading through this thread that i actually support them on THIS strike because they do have a good reason.
during the last round of strikes earlier this year the government told the fire fighters that in november they would get the first wave of their increased salaries. this coming friday is when they were told they would be getting an extra 7%.
the government has changed it's mind and has decided not to give them any extra after all claiming some excuse or other.
if you make a deal then you have to stick with it which politicians seem unable to do.

there is only one thing i hate more than royal mail at the moment and that is the government. i also hate the royal family. man, i'm in a bad mood :mad: :mad:
the weather is pretty ****ty isn't it:mad: :mad: :mad:
my back is aching, my car is a pile of **** and i don't have enough money to cheer myself up with computer goodies.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
i'm only 22 (almost 23) but i feel 52. life is **** :mad:

master baits
06-11-2003, 14:33
Its not some excuse or other ITS PART OF THE TERMS.The fire service were to get more modern in the work ethic , and adopt a less expensive working habit.THESE FACTS were to be examined because NOTHING was done deliberately to acheive the conditions by the unions.

How would you like it if you bought a tv then were told as it was being delivered its now half the size and twice the price?This is why the union bosses want the average joe public to believe that its poor old us being picked on for no reason , the bosses are trying to reneg on the agreed deal to start more strikes.

At this rate the labour government WILL push through an emergency bill on striking by the civil servents making it illegall(perhaps thats why they are happening), much like the bill that was narrowly defeated by labour and rougue tories in the early 80's.

I will never support a strike by those (when the other half works more so) that are WELL paid for the job they do , the average income of fireman and wife in stable homes is nearing 35g a year , thats more than 3x what most folk have coming in(and less if those are on benefits).As soon as one group sees another group getting more money they do indeed jump on the bandwagon , much like our cross the channel snail munchers you have noted.

The whole problem as I mentioned in a previous post is they most probably want bigger and better wages like those in the p-o whom dont want to do anything to get them outside the p-0, like train or go to uni for a better career and wage.This is worsened by those that fancy the big houses (mortgage =6x yearly nett) or second ones in the sun.Now if they have 20.000 x 6 as one income that means a mortgage fund (acceptable by lenders) of 120,000 , add to this the wifes income and this should be approaching 200,000 this is the main argument the unions tried on that fireman need more money to afford better housing and be more local to the job.mmm spin.

Now I dont know about you but but you should find it appalling after all you are the customer here as the taxpayer .The ambulance drivers , matrons , nurses , firemen (yes one that doesnt agree with the strikes) and jailers round me are living in houses THEY most probably bought them from the council which are worth approx 60k now , they still live within 30 mins from work and to use that as an excuse was an insult hence why they dont really use it now.Reality usually escapes those in charge of unions and upon opening ones eyes you can see they are after more money for them selves not the payee.

All union leaders are twice as slippery as greased eels in oil , as long as you read between the lines of the papers and the media and ignore their soundbytes youll be better off.

I lost my respect for them before the strikes when I found out how much real work they actually do for the money , and when that woman sued and won a claim for sexual inequality cos she couldnt complete the medical cos she was too weak , the medical meant she had to able to lift a 10 st body and she couldnt , now personally I would think thats like a blind guy suing cos he cant get a job driving the big red engine.....mad world.

robdos
19-12-2003, 16:41
our postie gets 22K pa. Lets face it its a paper round. He admits to kipping in the van when he can for a few hours.

I get nothing but crap through the mail.

I bank on line, my credit card is on line. My business gets paid via bacs. I pay myself via bacs.

Strike. I couldt give a t*ss. If you dont like your £22K pa paper rounds go work for DHL.

Can you opt out of the Royal Mail? Where's the Remove button?

Deviant
28-12-2003, 21:22
Ok. I sent a Ti 4600 to UTReality at the end of october in a swap for his Audigy 2. All was ok, appart from the fact that the pesky strike was on.

I tried to send it special delivery, but was told I couldn't, as there was a strike on. Obviously I needed to get the parcel to its destination as soon as so I just went with recorded (its never let me down yet).

Ok. Time ticks by and no parcel at its destination. After a few phone calls and being told that there is a back log, please phone next week (and trying to get past that amazingly stupid automated person who asks you for your tracking number, and asks you to repeat it six times, only to pass you through to someone who asks you for the tracking number anyway!?!??) I lose out on my deal with UT (fair enough, it'd been several weeks and he'd had other offers and the like, no bad feelings there :)). I'm then left in limbo waiting for this parcel to arrive so that UT can send it back basically.

I forgot about it for a week or so (work was/is very busy at the min) and then phoned them. They immediately said "ooh, we should start an investigation". A week later I get a letter and a cheque for £28. £28?!?

This is the most they can pay out on recorded delivery. Thats just feckin great. I couldn't ship it special delivery, and then they lose the flaming gfx card, and then the send me this crappy cheque which doesn't cover half the cost of the card and the postage I payed. And to rub it in they sent a bloody leaflet for special delivery rates.

I'm pi$$ed off :mad:

Sharky
28-12-2003, 22:47
TBH it's stated at the time of posting that recorded is only covered upto £28 maximum. The person behind the desk should have told you this. If they didn't ask you the value of the parcel and tell you £28 is the maximum payout maybe you should try complaining, although I doubt you'll get very far

Kynoch
29-12-2003, 00:00
you wont get anywhere trying to claim more as it clearly says on the back of the recorded delivery slips which you fill in
"If your item is lost or damaged we will pay you compensation for the value of your item upto 100 times the price of a basic weight First Class Stamp"

Always send things special delivery if there more valuable.

Deviant
29-12-2003, 01:01
Thats the point though. They wouldn't physically let me. And as it was urgent, I had no choice.